Hillary Clinton

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts) Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:42 PM Feb 2016

Kevin Drum: This is insane

Kevin is reacting to the same charts and data in Sanders' plans that Krugman, THE NOBEL PRIZE GUY, found so alarming.

The Sanders Campaign Has Crossed Into Neverland
snip>I've generally tried to go easy on Bernie Sanders. I like his vision, and I like his general attitude toward Wall Street. But this is insane. If anything, it's worse than the endless magic asterisks that Republicans use to pretend that their tax plans will supercharge the economy and pay for themselves. It's not even remotely in the realm of reality. If it were, France and Germany and Denmark would all be Croesian paradises by now.

A group of stuffy establishment economists says "no credible economic research" supports Friedman's analysis, which "undermines our reputation as the party of responsible arithmetic." Or, in Austan Goolsbee's more colorful language, Sanders' plans have "evolved into magic flying puppies with winning Lotto tickets tied to their collars."

Enough is enough. Everyone needs to get back to reality. This ain't it.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/sanders-campaign-has-crossed-neverland

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Kevin Drum: This is insane (Original Post) Rose Siding Feb 2016 OP

Damn.. I hope many of his supporters have a collective awakening! Cha Feb 2016 #1

Don't count on it. peggysue2 Feb 2016 #2

I was thinking of the ones who will gladly vote for Hillary in the GE.. so they've got Cha Feb 2016 #3

No doubt peggysue2 Feb 2016 #13

Oh no.. I didn't take it as criticism.. I just know some people who are falling for Cha Feb 2016 #14

unicorns. pixie dust. neverland. magic beans. faeries in the garden GusBob Feb 2016 #4

When people are math challenged or reality challenged cosmicone Feb 2016 #5

Good to see some down to earth reality based reporting. nt Fla Dem Feb 2016 #6

Krugman-Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan Gothmog Feb 2016 #7

".........magic flying puppies with winning Lotto tickets tied to their collars." Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #8

That line made me bust out laughing. Because it is so true! SunSeeker Feb 2016 #10

I'm just glad my mouth wasn't full when I read it. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #12

Sanders supporters won't listen. When Bernie talks, all they hear is "free stuff for me." Kang Colby Feb 2016 #9

+1,000,000 Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #15

K & R SunSeeker Feb 2016 #11

Cha

(297,692 posts)

1. Damn.. I hope many of his supporters have a collective awakening!

Reply to Rose Siding (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:43 PM

Feb 2016

Mahalo Rose~

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)

2. Don't count on it.

Reply to Cha (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:56 PM

Feb 2016

I wouldn't count on a sudden conversion to realism in the Sanders' camp. I suspect it will more like a drip, drip, drip once the warm, fuzzy feelings start to wear thin and the word 'revolution' begins to lose its gleam.

Numbers are obstinate, stubborn things. You can corral them for awhile, pretend they aren't important. But they always break free, even for the dream catchers.

Cha

(297,692 posts)

3. I was thinking of the ones who will gladly vote for Hillary in the GE.. so they've got

Reply to peggysue2 (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:02 PM

Feb 2016

one foot in reality already.

I would love to see that.. that's my fantasy, peggy sue.

Numbers!

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)

13. No doubt

Reply to Cha (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:00 PM

Feb 2016

Didn't mean that comment as a criticism, Cha. I'm just getting grumpier than usual by many of the St Bernard Brigade's misleading headlines, stats and comments.

I expect to be fully cured by mid-March!

HILLARY 2016
"I am not a one issue candidate . . ."

Cha

(297,692 posts)

14. Oh no.. I didn't take it as criticism.. I just know some people who are falling for

Reply to peggysue2 (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:39 PM

Feb 2016

it who otherwise are way too smart.. and it frustrates the heck out of me.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)

4. unicorns. pixie dust. neverland. magic beans. faeries in the garden

Reply to Rose Siding (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:10 PM

Feb 2016

socialist jesus dreamworld

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)

5. When people are math challenged or reality challenged

Reply to Rose Siding (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:14 PM

Feb 2016

anything is possible.

One can say I'll tax every corporation an extra dollar and pay off the national debt.

Fla Dem

(23,753 posts)

6. Good to see some down to earth reality based reporting. nt

Reply to Rose Siding (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:02 PM

Feb 2016

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)

7. Krugman-Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan

Reply to Rose Siding (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:26 PM

Feb 2016

Krugman agrees with the OP I http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/weakened-at-bernies/?_r=0

On health care: leave on one side the virtual impossibility of achieving single-payer. Beyond the politics, the Sanders “plan” isn’t just lacking in detail; as Ezra Klein notes, it both promises more comprehensive coverage than Medicare or for that matter single-payer systems in other countries, and assumes huge cost savings that are at best unlikely given that kind of generosity. This lets Sanders claim that he could make it work with much lower middle-class taxes than would probably be needed in practice.

To be harsh but accurate: the Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan, which relies on fantasies about huge supply-side effects to make the numbers supposedly add up. Only a little bit: after all, this is a plan seeking to provide health care, not lavish windfalls on the rich — and single-payer really does save money, whereas there’s no evidence that tax cuts deliver growth. Still, it’s not the kind of brave truth-telling the Sanders campaign pitch might have led you to expect.

Again, as noted by Prof. Krugman this plan does not add up.