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CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:03 PM Feb 2016

We need to understand the situation of the Sanders supporters going forward

Many of the the Sanders people are starting to realize that that there is no clear path for the Sanders campaign to nomination. Some will come to that realization later.

However, regardless of how and when that happens for various people, it's going to be hard. Many have put all of their eggs in the Bernie basket, and the realization that he can't win is going to be traumatic because they got their hopes up. It's going to be like losing an old friend so they are probably going to be going through the grieving process: The stages of the grieving process in order are: Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.

Most of those who have already seen the writing on the wall are still stuck in denial, but I've noticed that some have moved on to anger. There need to punish someone, anyone for the loss. Thus the threats; we have been against their savior all along. And we're handy.

I must confess I have a strong desire to rub their noses in their loss. Some of Sanders supporters have tried to make life on DU as difficult as possible for us, and to a large extent they succeed. There is natural desire to get even. But if we think with our heads instead of our emotions, we will give them space they need to recover from their loss.

Some were never Democrats, or they drifted off many years ago. They were here strictly here to support Sanders. They hate Hillary Clinton; they will never vote for her; they will be gone from DU soon. For others the switch will be easy, like was for me to switch without a beat from supporting Clinton to full out supporting Obama in 2008, but I am not a real emotional guy. However, for many other good Democrats who are supporting Bernie it will be hard because they pored so much of themselves into Sanders' campaign.

With those dealing with the loss of hope, and perhaps trying make the transition to supporting Hillary, we need to be supportive and give them space, not a hard time.

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We need to understand the situation of the Sanders supporters going forward (Original Post) CajunBlazer Feb 2016 OP
In my case, Treant Feb 2016 #1
this is the way I feel as well mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #9
You said it, Treant.. Cha Feb 2016 #44
I avoid, for the most part, GD-P. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #2
Only Sanders can end this. yallerdawg Feb 2016 #3
I suspect he will continue as long as possible CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #13
I agree with this DesertRat Feb 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Raster Feb 2016 #4
Do you have to do this here? ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #5
You're overlooking the fact... wysi Feb 2016 #10
Perhaps I was lecturing.... CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #16
Hi CajunBlazer! wysi Feb 2016 #21
I'm not that magnanimous CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #27
Hillary is definitely a strong candidate for dems Zing Zing Zingbah Feb 2016 #48
jury duty mog75 Feb 2016 #12
Doesn't mean the jury was right in their decision to allow someone to disrespect the statement of still_one Feb 2016 #15
My apologies. I DID NOT REALIZE i WAS RESPONDING IN THE HILLARY GROUP. Raster Feb 2016 #17
You should delete your post DesertRat Feb 2016 #22
Hmmm... I've seen that excuse use a lot lately CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #31
I DO NOT APPRECIATE YOUR INSINUATION. The post was on the latest page, I saw it, I responded. Raster Feb 2016 #36
Thank you! Many of us add (CLINTON GROUP) to our OP title so we can avoid Lucinda Feb 2016 #52
You are most welcome. Everyone needs their safe space. Raster Feb 2016 #53
I understand. I posed once in the Bernie group to say thank you for a link Lucinda Feb 2016 #54
It is what it is. Thank you again for your comment. Raster Feb 2016 #55
I had that happen in the Bernie Group as well. I got banned. That Front Page is a lure. nolabear Feb 2016 #56
Most welcome, and THANK YOU! Raster Feb 2016 #57
good point mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #6
Results: JTFrog Feb 2016 #7
Amazing, I ask those in the Hillary Group to be kind to Sanders supporters and... CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #24
Lazy alerter. Cha Feb 2016 #45
Right? JTFrog Feb 2016 #62
jury results zappaman Feb 2016 #8
So juror #4 voted to hide by mistake? DesertRat Feb 2016 #14
so much for critical thinking still_one Feb 2016 #20
I was giving him/her the benefit of the doubt DesertRat Feb 2016 #23
I know, and I was being a wise ass. Sorry, my bad still_one Feb 2016 #29
I was just on a jury this morning... wysi Feb 2016 #26
Actually the person involved sent me a private message CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #42
K&R! stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #11
I will show respect and courtesy only to those who do likewise. still_one Feb 2016 #19
Well that will leave a lot of folks out CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #25
I suspect you are correct still_one Feb 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #30
hear, hear! n/t SylviaD Feb 2016 #33
I see your point, but.... CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #37
I understand completely and agree CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #38
To be frank, I don't care about how "traumatic" Hillary Clinton's victory is going to be to them n/t SylviaD Feb 2016 #32
whining enid602 Feb 2016 #34
That's not a stage of grief... CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #39
Good post. I have my own theory on Sanders supporters as well... Kang Colby Feb 2016 #40
I'm sorry but I am going to go littlebit Feb 2016 #41
I'm with littlebit Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #49
Great job!! Eko Feb 2016 #43
Let's put the champagne away - he is still formidable jsmirman Feb 2016 #46
He's not formidable Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #47
I hope that's the case jsmirman Feb 2016 #60
Nothing will change. They loved Snowden. They adored Julian. They still rec Rand Paul, Ron Paul, ucrdem Feb 2016 #50
More of the sos.. Cha Feb 2016 #65
I will be happy after Super Tuesday is over Gothmog Feb 2016 #51
Kicked and recommended. Firebrand Gary Feb 2016 #58
In 2008 radical noodle Feb 2016 #59
You're right about that CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #64
Very well said. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #61
It's hard, the way I've been treated, but you're right. Chichiri Feb 2016 #63

Treant

(1,968 posts)
1. In my case,
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:08 PM
Feb 2016

I plan on silently enjoying the schadenfreude and ingesting the tears of impotent rage.

I don't plan on offering condolences, support, or cajoling. Many of them around here have been incredibly unpleasant to me (or to others I respect), so a little karma is deserving and I don't plan on bestirring myself one way or the other.

These voters were mostly disengaged, or third-party engaged, before this, so they'll leach away and go back to that.

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
9. this is the way I feel as well
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:26 PM
Feb 2016

but I am going to be neutral...ie not aggressive not passive...but agree it's impossible...doesn't matter what anyone says they take offense

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
2. I avoid, for the most part, GD-P.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:09 PM
Feb 2016

The tone there gets uglier by the day.
I trashed the area twice, so I would not have to see it.
Once this Primary is determined, we can move on.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. Only Sanders can end this.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:15 PM
Feb 2016

He said if he couldn't win, he'd be out.

When he is out, then we go back to Democratic Underground and our unrelenting war against the insidious rightwing exploitative conservatism haunting our nation.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
13. I suspect he will continue as long as possible
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:47 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:40 PM - Edit history (1)

I don't think he ever thought he could win - except perhaps recently. My belief is that he entered the race to pull Hillary to the left and get out his message and I expect him to stay in the race as long as possible (until the money runs out) to continue to broadcast his message.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
18. I agree with this
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:54 PM
Feb 2016

I read that after the NV caucus Sanders said that he was in until the convention. We'll see.

Response to CajunBlazer (Original post)

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
5. Do you have to do this here?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:22 PM
Feb 2016

This is a protected group. People here support Hillary strongly--and believe me, Hill's supporters have weathered everything possible that can be tossed at us. We are very aware of the pitfalls in the GE and I for one hold the opposite opinion. Hillary has a very healthy chance of winning. Sanders, none at all.

wysi

(1,512 posts)
10. You're overlooking the fact...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:31 PM
Feb 2016

... that the republicans have been attacking Hillary Clinton with everything they've got for 25 years or more, and have failed thus far to actually take her down. They've got nothing and have gotten nowhere, even when they make things up out of thin air. There is zero reason to believe they will succeed this year.

And we here in the HILLARY CLINTON GROUP are all well aware of what we are wishing for, thanks. No need to lecture us, we all live with our feet firmly planted in the real world.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
16. Perhaps I was lecturing....
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:53 PM
Feb 2016

...but probably more to myself than others, because frankly I'm angry. I don't like the way I have been treated with hides even here in the group. But I decided the best revenge is winning.

I am relatively new to DU and I'm just getting the lay of the land. If I have offend some of you - I offer my heartfelt apologies. I just figured that if I badly need that advice, perhaps other needed a reminder as well.

wysi

(1,512 posts)
21. Hi CajunBlazer!
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:56 PM
Feb 2016

You weren't lecturing, the Bernie supporter was (just check the lines of reply). I always enjoy your posts, and I think you've got this spot on, though I can't say I am feeling quite as magnanimous as you.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
48. Hillary is definitely a strong candidate for dems
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:55 PM
Feb 2016

because she has put up with relentless attacks from the republicans for decades. The republicans definitely would give Sanders a hard time if he got elected. Some people seem to think it is going to be all rainbows and butterflies if Sanders gets in as president, but I picture it as being even worse gridlock than we've had during the Obama administration. Hillary seems like someone that can get things done. That is what we need.

mog75

(109 posts)
12. jury duty
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:44 PM
Feb 2016

UTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:30 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I support Bernie Sanders and would love to see him be our nominee...HOWEVER, I will support...
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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Not okay to come into a safe haven group and completely disregard their statement of purpose: Discuss the life, career, and accomplishments of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Supporters only.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:37 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

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still_one

(92,219 posts)
15. Doesn't mean the jury was right in their decision to allow someone to disrespect the statement of
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:50 PM
Feb 2016

purpose of a protected group

Raster

(20,998 posts)
17. My apologies. I DID NOT REALIZE i WAS RESPONDING IN THE HILLARY GROUP.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:54 PM
Feb 2016

Had I known this was the Hillary Group, I would not have posted here. I saw the OP and I responded. It is that simple.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
31. Hmmm... I've seen that excuse use a lot lately
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:07 PM
Feb 2016

Given how many extra clicks it takes me to get to the Hillary Group, how can one not know he/she is in it?

Raster

(20,998 posts)
36. I DO NOT APPRECIATE YOUR INSINUATION. The post was on the latest page, I saw it, I responded.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:26 PM
Feb 2016

I truly did not know I was in the Hillary Group until it was pointed out.
When I did realize it, I apologized.
I was told I should delete my post. I did.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
52. Thank you! Many of us add (CLINTON GROUP) to our OP title so we can avoid
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

having people respond to something they assume is in a normal area! Sorry you got pulled in unwittingly, and though I didn't see your post, I wanted to thank you for deleting.

Lucinda

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
54. I understand. I posed once in the Bernie group to say thank you for a link
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:32 PM
Feb 2016

that someone had posted, which I saw from the main page, and didn't realize it was a group thing. No one was mean, or anything, but I felt that I had intruded into a safe spot. It's a shame GDP is so contentious that we need a place to vent/celebrate, but it is what it is I guess.

nolabear

(41,986 posts)
56. I had that happen in the Bernie Group as well. I got banned. That Front Page is a lure.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016

No harm no foul as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for sticking up for yourself without being a jerk.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
7. Results:
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:24 PM
Feb 2016

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:06 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

We need to understand the situation of the Sanders supporters going forward
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110753199

REASON FOR ALERT

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You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:21 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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Worst alert ever.
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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I think juror #4 might have gotten a little confused (commenting leave it but voting hide it) or the alerter would have been unable to alert for a while.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
24. Amazing, I ask those in the Hillary Group to be kind to Sanders supporters and...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:59 PM
Feb 2016

that is the cause for an alert.

I many have to rethink my position

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
8. jury results
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:24 PM
Feb 2016

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:06 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

We need to understand the situation of the Sanders supporters going forward
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110753199

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

No comments added by alerter

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:21 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Post is absolutely factual. I think the alerter should stay on the Sanders group and not try to interfere in this group.

Worst alert ever.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I support Sanders and I think he will win, but the cards are stacked against him and this writer's comment on based on that unpleasant fact and as such within DU rules
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: While the post is offensive (I'm for Bernie), I don't vote to hide a post unless the alert provides a reason for it. For that reason, and the fact that it is in the HRC group, I vote to leave it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No comment by alerter? why bother then?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

wysi

(1,512 posts)
26. I was just on a jury this morning...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:03 PM
Feb 2016

... and the report looked like two jurors had pressed the wrong voting button. Weird.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
42. Actually the person involved sent me a private message
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:15 PM
Feb 2016

and apologized He/she said the hide button was hit by mistake.

Mighty big of that person to own up, especially since I would have never known otherwise who he/she was.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
25. Well that will leave a lot of folks out
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:02 PM
Feb 2016


Seriously, I think that most of the worst behaving will be gone from DU sooner or later leaving only the true Democrats who happened to be for Bernie.

Response to CajunBlazer (Original post)

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
35. I see your point, but....
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:19 PM
Feb 2016

I don't think that we can underestimate the appeal of Sanders to some. For those folks he was the realization of a dream that they never thought would occur in their lifetimes. For the True Believer the fact the he unapologetically championed every left wing program of their heart's desire was gave them hope for the first time in their political lives. And they fully understand that once a champion is defeated and gone, that chance will never come again.

I certainly never felt that way, but I understand where they are coming form. For them the pain of loss will be very real.

Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #35)

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
38. I understand completely and agree
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:37 PM
Feb 2016

Like me you probably are more rational than emotional in making your decisions. But not everyone works like us. We are worse or better than those people, just different. Bernie's appeal to those who value emotion over rationality, who are more dreams and unicorns than pragmatic, is very strong.

And the younger you are, less you understand about the world really works, the more susceptible you are to what Bernie is selling.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
40. Good post. I have my own theory on Sanders supporters as well...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:03 PM
Feb 2016

from real world experiences and from DU. They tend to fall into one of three categories:

1) Democrats who like Sanders. These people are reasonable, while they may be a little upset about Sanders' loss, they will be OK and we can look forward to teaming up with them in the GE.

2) I don't know what to call this next group. I just view them as left wing indys. They are traditional far left activist types and left wing special interest supporters. A majority will vote for the Democratic nominee, and as usual some will vote for the price of tea in China. For these folks, I don't see 2016 being any different than prior years. There are quite a few HRC supporters in this category and there is nothing wrong with these folks.

3) This next group, I don't particularly care for. They are extremely loud on DU and social media. Some of these folks participated in OWS a few years back and much like before they have no will power or serious dedication to political change. I would estimate that over 50% of this group doesn't even bother to vote. Even so, they make up less than 1% of the U.S. population and are not a concern for GE purposes. When people talk about the "bros" this is the group they are referring to.

littlebit

(1,728 posts)
41. I'm sorry but I am going to go
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:14 PM
Feb 2016

100% full angry trucker on them. I have been civil and stayed out of it all until now but I have had enough.

Eko

(7,318 posts)
43. Great job!!
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:42 PM
Feb 2016

"First with the head, then the heart and then the hands."-The power of one.
Sanders may still win though, so don't count your chickens yet, regardless I support whoever wins.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
46. Let's put the champagne away - he is still formidable
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:39 PM
Feb 2016

I have had the same thoughts, but I think they are way premature.

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
47. He's not formidable
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:55 PM
Feb 2016

He's tough and long lasting, but not formidable.

He's done. There is no path to victory for him

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
60. I hope that's the case
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:29 AM
Feb 2016

But as a veteran of a campaign or two, I know that overconfidence is a pointless emotion. Celebrate when the deed is done. No spiking the football on the thirty yard line.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
50. Nothing will change. They loved Snowden. They adored Julian. They still rec Rand Paul, Ron Paul,
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:02 PM
Feb 2016

Glenn Greenwald, Jeremy Scahill, Chris Hedges and every other Dem basher to come down the pike. Maybe this time will be different but I'm not counting on it.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
58. Kicked and recommended.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:55 PM
Feb 2016

I know what it's like to believe in a candidate so much and when that person did not receive the nomination, I was crushed! People gave me the space. I too will pay it forward.

radical noodle

(8,003 posts)
59. In 2008
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:18 AM
Feb 2016

It was much easier to move from Hillary to Obama because she had that amazing concession speech and then went on to enthusiastically campaign for him. She took Hillary supporters right over to him. I am not certain that Sanders will be as generous. If he is, that will reduce the time it takes for them to get over it... unless they've been Republicans all along.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
64. You're right about that
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:18 AM
Feb 2016

I was a Hillary backer and when she dropped out of the race she turned over her mailing list to the Obama campaign along with an emailed request that I support Obama with time, vot and my money.

Classy - heavens knows what Bernie will do.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
61. Very well said.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:40 AM
Feb 2016

Although Hillary hasn't won it yet. Let's not count the votes until they're cast.

I joined DU in 2001 and enjoyed it very much for several years. Then things started getting nasty, and after awhile I left. I came back a few weeks ago to see what was going on, and was struck by the mob-like atmosphere. Very little discussion in the primaries forum - mostly Hillary hate posts and lots of cannon fire. Very stifling.

I'm staying, but I surely hope that the atmosphere improves whether Hillary wins the nomination or not. Bernie's followers/posters are an angry lot when he's doing well and when he isn't.

Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
63. It's hard, the way I've been treated, but you're right.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:15 AM
Feb 2016

Like the eagle on the Great Seal, we must turn away from the arrows, and toward the olive branch.

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