Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumWe need to understand the situation of the Sanders supporters going forward
Many of the the Sanders people are starting to realize that that there is no clear path for the Sanders campaign to nomination. Some will come to that realization later.
However, regardless of how and when that happens for various people, it's going to be hard. Many have put all of their eggs in the Bernie basket, and the realization that he can't win is going to be traumatic because they got their hopes up. It's going to be like losing an old friend so they are probably going to be going through the grieving process: The stages of the grieving process in order are: Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.
Most of those who have already seen the writing on the wall are still stuck in denial, but I've noticed that some have moved on to anger. There need to punish someone, anyone for the loss. Thus the threats; we have been against their savior all along. And we're handy.
I must confess I have a strong desire to rub their noses in their loss. Some of Sanders supporters have tried to make life on DU as difficult as possible for us, and to a large extent they succeed. There is natural desire to get even. But if we think with our heads instead of our emotions, we will give them space they need to recover from their loss.
Some were never Democrats, or they drifted off many years ago. They were here strictly here to support Sanders. They hate Hillary Clinton; they will never vote for her; they will be gone from DU soon. For others the switch will be easy, like was for me to switch without a beat from supporting Clinton to full out supporting Obama in 2008, but I am not a real emotional guy. However, for many other good Democrats who are supporting Bernie it will be hard because they pored so much of themselves into Sanders' campaign.
With those dealing with the loss of hope, and perhaps trying make the transition to supporting Hillary, we need to be supportive and give them space, not a hard time.
Treant
(1,968 posts)I plan on silently enjoying the schadenfreude and ingesting the tears of impotent rage.
I don't plan on offering condolences, support, or cajoling. Many of them around here have been incredibly unpleasant to me (or to others I respect), so a little karma is deserving and I don't plan on bestirring myself one way or the other.
These voters were mostly disengaged, or third-party engaged, before this, so they'll leach away and go back to that.
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)but I am going to be neutral...ie not aggressive not passive...but agree it's impossible...doesn't matter what anyone says they take offense
Cha
(297,317 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)The tone there gets uglier by the day.
I trashed the area twice, so I would not have to see it.
Once this Primary is determined, we can move on.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)He said if he couldn't win, he'd be out.
When he is out, then we go back to Democratic Underground and our unrelenting war against the insidious rightwing exploitative conservatism haunting our nation.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:40 PM - Edit history (1)
I don't think he ever thought he could win - except perhaps recently. My belief is that he entered the race to pull Hillary to the left and get out his message and I expect him to stay in the race as long as possible (until the money runs out) to continue to broadcast his message.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)I read that after the NV caucus Sanders said that he was in until the convention. We'll see.
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ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)This is a protected group. People here support Hillary strongly--and believe me, Hill's supporters have weathered everything possible that can be tossed at us. We are very aware of the pitfalls in the GE and I for one hold the opposite opinion. Hillary has a very healthy chance of winning. Sanders, none at all.
wysi
(1,512 posts)... that the republicans have been attacking Hillary Clinton with everything they've got for 25 years or more, and have failed thus far to actually take her down. They've got nothing and have gotten nowhere, even when they make things up out of thin air. There is zero reason to believe they will succeed this year.
And we here in the HILLARY CLINTON GROUP are all well aware of what we are wishing for, thanks. No need to lecture us, we all live with our feet firmly planted in the real world.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)...but probably more to myself than others, because frankly I'm angry. I don't like the way I have been treated with hides even here in the group. But I decided the best revenge is winning.
I am relatively new to DU and I'm just getting the lay of the land. If I have offend some of you - I offer my heartfelt apologies. I just figured that if I badly need that advice, perhaps other needed a reminder as well.
wysi
(1,512 posts)You weren't lecturing, the Bernie supporter was (just check the lines of reply). I always enjoy your posts, and I think you've got this spot on, though I can't say I am feeling quite as magnanimous as you.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I just want to win that badly.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)because she has put up with relentless attacks from the republicans for decades. The republicans definitely would give Sanders a hard time if he got elected. Some people seem to think it is going to be all rainbows and butterflies if Sanders gets in as president, but I picture it as being even worse gridlock than we've had during the Obama administration. Hillary seems like someone that can get things done. That is what we need.
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still_one
(92,219 posts)purpose of a protected group
Raster
(20,998 posts)Had I known this was the Hillary Group, I would not have posted here. I saw the OP and I responded. It is that simple.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)It's that simple.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Given how many extra clicks it takes me to get to the Hillary Group, how can one not know he/she is in it?
Raster
(20,998 posts)I truly did not know I was in the Hillary Group until it was pointed out.
When I did realize it, I apologized.
I was told I should delete my post. I did.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)having people respond to something they assume is in a normal area! Sorry you got pulled in unwittingly, and though I didn't see your post, I wanted to thank you for deleting.
Lucinda
Raster
(20,998 posts)I did not mean to intrude.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)that someone had posted, which I saw from the main page, and didn't realize it was a group thing. No one was mean, or anything, but I felt that I had intruded into a safe spot. It's a shame GDP is so contentious that we need a place to vent/celebrate, but it is what it is I guess.
Raster
(20,998 posts)nolabear
(41,986 posts)No harm no foul as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for sticking up for yourself without being a jerk.
Raster
(20,998 posts)mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)I will try to be neutral thank-you
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CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)that is the cause for an alert.
I many have to rethink my position
Cha
(297,317 posts)Hey Frog!
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DesertRat
(27,995 posts)still_one
(92,219 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)But, yeah.
still_one
(92,219 posts)wysi
(1,512 posts)... and the report looked like two jurors had pressed the wrong voting button. Weird.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)and apologized He/she said the hide button was hit by mistake.
Mighty big of that person to own up, especially since I would have never known otherwise who he/she was.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)still_one
(92,219 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Seriously, I think that most of the worst behaving will be gone from DU sooner or later leaving only the true Democrats who happened to be for Bernie.
still_one
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SylviaD
(721 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I don't think that we can underestimate the appeal of Sanders to some. For those folks he was the realization of a dream that they never thought would occur in their lifetimes. For the True Believer the fact the he unapologetically championed every left wing program of their heart's desire was gave them hope for the first time in their political lives. And they fully understand that once a champion is defeated and gone, that chance will never come again.
I certainly never felt that way, but I understand where they are coming form. For them the pain of loss will be very real.
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CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Like me you probably are more rational than emotional in making your decisions. But not everyone works like us. We are worse or better than those people, just different. Bernie's appeal to those who value emotion over rationality, who are more dreams and unicorns than pragmatic, is very strong.
And the younger you are, less you understand about the world really works, the more susceptible you are to what Bernie is selling.
SylviaD
(721 posts)enid602
(8,620 posts)You forgot to mentiion one key stage in the Sanders acceptance cycle, namely, WHINING.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)... that's been a constant throughout.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)from real world experiences and from DU. They tend to fall into one of three categories:
1) Democrats who like Sanders. These people are reasonable, while they may be a little upset about Sanders' loss, they will be OK and we can look forward to teaming up with them in the GE.
2) I don't know what to call this next group. I just view them as left wing indys. They are traditional far left activist types and left wing special interest supporters. A majority will vote for the Democratic nominee, and as usual some will vote for the price of tea in China. For these folks, I don't see 2016 being any different than prior years. There are quite a few HRC supporters in this category and there is nothing wrong with these folks.
3) This next group, I don't particularly care for. They are extremely loud on DU and social media. Some of these folks participated in OWS a few years back and much like before they have no will power or serious dedication to political change. I would estimate that over 50% of this group doesn't even bother to vote. Even so, they make up less than 1% of the U.S. population and are not a concern for GE purposes. When people talk about the "bros" this is the group they are referring to.
littlebit
(1,728 posts)100% full angry trucker on them. I have been civil and stayed out of it all until now but I have had enough.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Angry trucker it is!
Eko
(7,318 posts)"First with the head, then the heart and then the hands."-The power of one.
Sanders may still win though, so don't count your chickens yet, regardless I support whoever wins.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)I have had the same thoughts, but I think they are way premature.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)He's tough and long lasting, but not formidable.
He's done. There is no path to victory for him
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)But as a veteran of a campaign or two, I know that overconfidence is a pointless emotion. Celebrate when the deed is done. No spiking the football on the thirty yard line.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Glenn Greenwald, Jeremy Scahill, Chris Hedges and every other Dem basher to come down the pike. Maybe this time will be different but I'm not counting on it.
Cha
(297,317 posts)Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)I know what it's like to believe in a candidate so much and when that person did not receive the nomination, I was crushed! People gave me the space. I too will pay it forward.
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)It was much easier to move from Hillary to Obama because she had that amazing concession speech and then went on to enthusiastically campaign for him. She took Hillary supporters right over to him. I am not certain that Sanders will be as generous. If he is, that will reduce the time it takes for them to get over it... unless they've been Republicans all along.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I was a Hillary backer and when she dropped out of the race she turned over her mailing list to the Obama campaign along with an emailed request that I support Obama with time, vot and my money.
Classy - heavens knows what Bernie will do.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Although Hillary hasn't won it yet. Let's not count the votes until they're cast.
I joined DU in 2001 and enjoyed it very much for several years. Then things started getting nasty, and after awhile I left. I came back a few weeks ago to see what was going on, and was struck by the mob-like atmosphere. Very little discussion in the primaries forum - mostly Hillary hate posts and lots of cannon fire. Very stifling.
I'm staying, but I surely hope that the atmosphere improves whether Hillary wins the nomination or not. Bernie's followers/posters are an angry lot when he's doing well and when he isn't.
Chichiri
(4,667 posts)Like the eagle on the Great Seal, we must turn away from the arrows, and toward the olive branch.