I knew Sanders was polling strong, didn't know Hillary was ahead. Good.

It seems status quo that Bernie is more liberal that Hillary. Yet two of the most traditionally liberal groups, (African Americans and LGBT Americans) are with Hillary. Hispanics are too. So are most women.

It seems as though Bernie has successfully taken one issue (Wall Street) and branded an entire nomination run as liberal vs. moderate/conservative based on this topic alone. This is just not true.


And when we look at who has accomplished more in their career with regard to the liberal agenda, Hillary wins in a landslide. Bernie has been in Washington for years, (longer than Hillary). And I can't give you one liberal policy that was changed or created in this country because of his efforts. NOT ONE.

I can give you plenty of liberal causes Hillary has impacted.


It looks like our traditional liberal groups are right in their preference for Clinton over Sanders.

I've thought about this a lot. If I was a Sanders supporter, these numbers would concern me. Sanders has said he need a LOT of support to get anything done, and that support isn't playing out, despite the rock star crowds. At the beginning, some effort was made at reasonable political discussion, pointing out where Sanders was lacking strength---which absolutely overridden by Hillary hate (HH)--still is for that matter, for all the talk of wanting to discuss issues. When "issues" are brought up, the HH attacks often go full right wing. I still say the Sanders phenomenon will be much analyzed and discussed when all is over--how could have been a powerful political movement started self-destructing at the minute the Incident at Netroots came to pass.

(2), in this household, favor Clinton.

But yes, on that front I do think either candidate would be just fine--although the only candidate that consistently acknowledges her LBGT supporters and the importance of LBGT issues is Clinton. Sanders mentions this far less often.

And in this case, the deciding factor is not LBGT issues due to the fact that both will be OK. I flip back to experience, foreign affairs chops, and the one who didn't steal the other's data.

but now with scalia dead..and all the catholics coming out against the death penalty (scalia was for it....) people are on board for a liberal scotus....no matter who's in office ...BS or HRC that will happen...I happen to support HRC...

among my LGBT friends, it seems much more like 90-95% are supporting Clinton.

It's a real noticeable imbalance. Obviously just anecdotal, of course.

Sanders likes to claim he has always been for marriage equality, yet in 2006 he said that marriage equality was "too divisive" for VT and he wanted to stick with civil unions, and back in the eighties, when he was Mayor of Burlington, he actually signed a Defense of Marriage type proclamation (..."Marriage should be viewed as a life long commitment between husband and wife"...):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8FLYbegXp9JNENTR0pVelk3bHM/view

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