Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumOkay, so Michigan is going to be closer than anyone thought, and we may lose.
We need to have words, not just with 538 but with all pollsters and numbers wonks about what this means, and how to adjust models in the coming weeks. ALL the polls had Hillary winning by double digits, some by more than 20 or 30. So there's a fundamental assumption or two that is being defied this cycle. Could be that young people are showing up, but a lot of Hillary races would be a lot narrower if that was the case. We'll have to see, but we need to figure out something.
Having said all that, Wayne County just flipped, is currently 53-46 for Hillary with about 19% reporting. Genesee County (Flint) is 64-34 Hillary with 6% reporting. Don't know if it'll be enough, but we'll see.
Recall that Bernie's target is higher than Hillary's, so even if Bernie narrowly wins it may not be enough.
MelSC
(256 posts)Nt
George II
(67,782 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)kept bringing up trade agreements. michigan lost a lot of jobs because of them.
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)Keep the faith until they call it. She'll still win more delegates tonight no matter what happens.
Hillary's going to win it in the long run. No one ever said this would be easy.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)is doing better than expected there. And while she will come out tonight with more delegates psychologically it will be a huge boost for Sanders to win this first Industrial State. It will make Ohio even more important if she loses Michigan tonight.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)Bernie wins MI = game changer.
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)LannyDeVaney
(1,033 posts)He will end up with a bigger delegate deficit than when the evening started.
How is that a game changer?
Chichiri
(4,667 posts)Bernie will still probably end up behind in delegates for the night even if he does win Michigan.
LannyDeVaney
(1,033 posts)He could win Michigan by 10% and he would still get less delegates tonight than Clinton.
... Michigan is a major Midwestern state.
It's a game changer in terms of perception.
It's huge.
Cha
(297,196 posts)she's going to win the nomination.
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)closer than is comfortable.
The same things that hurt Hillary badly in NH are working hard to defeat her in MI. They are a) open primary and b) independent voters. The fact that she is still so close show that her Dem base there is still very strong. That is encouraging.
Even if she "loses" - and we're still waiting to see how things will shake out - so long as she gets 63 MI delegates, which looks very possible, she will maintain her current lead over Bernie.
With her delegate count from MS, she will likely extend that lead.
This is what we need to focus on. http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/
Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)"Im looking on the Wayne County clerks website to try to get an idea of where the vote is being reported from in Wayne County. It seems, at least as of earlier this hour, that Detroit was at 0 percent. The nearly uniformly white areas of Grosse Pointe Shores and Plymouth were at 100 percent. In other words, the percentages coming out of Wayne County right now dont really reflect how black areas are voting."
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)Can you please post that Wayne County link?
Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)Skid Rogue
(711 posts)I've just been looking for a real precinct map all night.
Chichiri
(4,667 posts)JohnnyLib2
(11,211 posts)Sorry if it's been posted tonight. I just got on.
Chichiri
(4,667 posts)JohnnyLib2
(11,211 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)To be honest I wish HRC had campaigned a little more there and not only in Detroit.
metroins
(2,550 posts)I'm not going to rehash what could've been done, but I feel like shit. My wife and her family are from MI.
Not trying to bring down the group.
The MS win was huge. I was really confident in MI.