line with them, just like the GOP party.

It ain't gonna work.

But i am glad we have this space to correct their posts.

right into the cesspool of personal attacks against Hillary.

There is no difference between reading their screed here or listening to Limpballs or Handjob on hate radio.

You would think if their canidate was so great they would talk about his plans and programs but nope.

Right into the slime pit with the teahaddists and personal attacks.

I guess the Bernie purists are really really, scared of Hillary

I am not saying we don't have our moments but they have many more moments then we do.

It's going to be interesting when Hillary wipes the floor with Bernie in the primaries.

I don't think Bernie fans are going to handle it well.

When Hillary wins the nomination.

We will see who is really a democrat then eh?

Don't want to see bannings but warnings.

on any jackasses trying to discourage or supress the democratic vote

would be doing themselves and us a big favor by turning off their putes and getting out on the street to organize.

I'm a Green Party voter to the extent that I vote Green if there Is no Democrat in a given down ticket race. It's a matter of denying my vote to the Republicans and Libertarians and making them pick up an extra to compensate.

Texas Democrats are finally beginning to recuperate, though, so that should be less necessary next year.

The idea that the Sanders supporters see nothing wrong with using right wing talking points and right wing sources is sad. The Sanders followers are falling for Karl Rove's trick of trying to get the left to attack HRC. See http://www.cnbc.com/id/102684946

First time I heard about it was here.

Or their way of calling us Democrats in name only.

and by clock work, here they come, trashing HRC and her dad, a veteran. That's sick.

Don't forget the link.

You would think that Hillary was evil If you saw all those links.

to link Hillary to a Vietnam photo with the silent implication that it was from the Iraq War.

He was rather upset at being caught at it.

Check out some of those Gish-gallop links. One "reports" what amounts to a military coup against the President and implicates Kucinich.

It wasn't in the email I received from Hillary's campaign, but it should have been.

honestly, I've been surprised at the attacks on Hillary and her supporters. I've been accused of being third way in some discussions.

I saw a C-Span discussion of third way a few months ago, which was my first introduction.
I voted for Hillary over Obama in the primary here years ago, but I'll always vote for the Democratic nominee in the election.

At any rate, the enthusiasm for other candidates is fine, but some Hillary-bashers are using RW conspiracy material. I really think that is hard to overlook. Really, we should be past silliness at this point.

I agree that newcomers will get a bad taste of DU if all they see are Hillary attacks.

I was in HS/college in the 60's and early 70's: Vietnam protests, 18-year old vote, ERA, you name it. As a teacher and union member, I been on the front lines for the first days of integration, Title IX, and 94-142 (special education). That's why I really think it's crazy to call me a "centrist". Of course, in the South and purple states like Florida, Bernie won't carry our independent voters. Hillary is dead on about women's rights and immigration, so she could win here with a good campaign.

I recognize every candidate has some planks in the platform that we all don't agree on, but I've been in more debates recently than I can remember over the last 10 years.

Meaningless to most Americans.

I read their meaning of 'third way' as 'Democrat.' Which in my memory, is the big tent party.

Third way? More like, third party-speak.

Let them eat Nader.

It's an attempt to compromise, but to some compromise is in itself evil.

My way or the highway-- and that goes for both sides.

We have never, ever had a left or progressive government in this country. Never. Both Roosevelts, LBJ... none of them were actual "liberals" the way we like to pretend liberals are, but they did respond to some critical problems, which is better than can be said about most "conservatives".

But, Eisenhower avoided military intervention, gave us the Interstate system, and tried a little for civil rights. And Nixon tried to get us health care and education. So who are the good guys and bad guys, really?

Politics is the art of compromise, and that means none of us will be really happy. As a judge once said-- "A good settlement is when both sides are equally pissed."

So, I don't know much about this Third Way group, but I'll take them as a workable counter to teabaggery and corporate influence and a bridge to liberal thought.

They need a boogeyman and they found one.

What we're seeing here from some folk is the scribble of the impossible.

The attacks on Hillary follow the well-worn paths of other primary seasons.

While I admit some of this is simply over-enthusiastic support of Bernie, Warren, or somebody else, most of it seems to have a much darker side.

I'm a corporatist
Third Way rightwing asshole
Monsanto shill
DLC loser
Neo-liberal arrogant pig

It's not particularly hurting DU, but it is helping up sort out the idiots.

I feel that since i have become vocal in my support for her i have lost a few friends here.

weren't friends worth much having, were they?

I hope things get better soon But it won't.

They have a plan to secure Social security for several years and push for lots of the Democrat platform. Bill Clinton was an early member but it seems this group is closer to the Democrat platform than the far left so it is my opinion the Third Way thinkers are Democrats and we have a couple of other groups are the DINO's.

Everything and this tells me they are listening to others who do not know or it is it sounds like a bad thing to say

to thump (or cajole) Congress into line.

LBJ and Sam Rayburn were masters at it. And Bill Clinton was no slouch, either. It is generally considered a desirable quality in a President.

but being able to get work done by threatening/schmoozing the necessary Congresscritters trumps submitting beautiful liberal legislation to 535 prickly pols and having it tossed back in your face.

....and to be called vile names whether they are in the BOG or out of it.

What did we expect would be allowed to happen with the popular front-runner candidate for the next election?

Hillary supporters are being shoved out of the public discussion at DU just like the Obama supporters were and are.

This trollery is absolutely disgusting and has diminished DU's online relevance to the discussion of what it means to be a Democrat, and DU's relevance to the party's future. The use of RW sources, and sources that are used to launder RW sources, continues unabated. The Gish Gallop is increasing popular as a means of spreading distortions, outright lies, and rewritten history -- and it is tolerated by the juries and admins.

I'm really sorry, but this has been allowed and as far as I can tell will continue to be allowed in the future.

Can you tell I'm pissed off?

running, and even after he became the candidate.

I stopped being pissed and just don't consider DU relevant or worth the anger. It's a lot of fun at times and sometimes actual information percolates up, but nobody in my town or county Democratic committees admits having ever heard of it. That tells you something.

at the same time.

that some of his supporters are his supporters, if you take my meaning. He's a good guy who doesn't deserve to be associated with that kind of behavior.

I'm not even done reading it -- it's long! -- but SO many good points are being made, and such true observations about the Dividers infesting DU. I seem to have been fortunate enough to miss the obnoxious referenced threads in GD.

Just wishing my own mini-rant had been half as articulate as some in your thread in AA.

Coming, as it were, from the No Wayers.

Hat tips are good for soul, BTW.

and so they figure that if they act up then someone might notice them.
I haven't heard anyone outside of DU even mention their candidate.
It sucks being mired at 15% in the polls and knowing that nobody takes your candidate seriously.

say it's BAD. Anyway, those nuts are starting to eat their own. Today Mineral Man, a Bernie supporter, was piled on because his absolute fealty to Bernie came into question! Apparently, he sounded too reasonable.

this is one reason why i will not post ops i. Gd about Hillary.

Bernie is a whole lot better than many of his supporters.

I am not now nor have I ever been a member of this group

and that is exactly how they want it.

I live in Texas where there are really dumb people that I have to deal with in real life. The stuff on GD is mild compared to what I seen in real life and on another sister board

It has always been thus on DU during the primary season. Every primary is followed by a mass exodus of DUers pissed off at their treatment by other DUers. Some of that is legit, some is just plain thin skinnedness. Same as it ever was.

From the link:
"Third Way, backed by Wall Street titans, corporate money, and congressional allies, is publicly warning against divisive “soak-the-rich” politics voiced by populist Democrats. Its target: Elizabeth Warren, the Massachusetts senator whose rise to power two years ago helped galvanize Democratic grass roots against Wall Street and pushed the issue of income inequality to the forefront."

Read more:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/10/06/struggle-for-soul-democratic-party-pits-wall-street-backed-think-tank-against-elizabeth-warren/pYk3SXRnZDmpi7C7N4ZpXN/story.html


This is just one link, with what seems to be a common definition. But to call efforts to reform a system that allows the 1% to amass nearly all of the economic gains at the expense of the bottom 90% "divisive soak the rich politics" is ridiculous.

The rich are far too lightly taxed. THAT is why people like Sheldon Adelson, Charles and David Koch, and assorted other billionaires can spend billions buying politicians and elections.

That said, if people have a specific policy disagreement with HRC, spell it out. But realize that we all have a right to our voting preferences.

This is really somewhat sad given that Sanders will not be the Democratic nominee and Sanders would not like the tactics used by his supporters. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778225

Can't say i am surprised.

I've never been disrespectful to HRC, but bashing Bernie citing the "he can't win" meme is extremely demeaning to him. That, and sneering remarks about his hair, his being a grumpy old man are very hurtful. At this point in the race, nobody really knows who can or cannot win.

It doesn't.

We have concerns about Sanders electability and saying that out loud is not an insult.

Be glad that DU is only an isolated corner of the Internet. If some of the shit Sanders' devotees post here--Bernie can invade Japan!!!!-- ever got out, voters would run away from the Senator in droves.

This whole "turd" way crap is such nonsense. Apparently here on DU, no one is a liberal or "true" Democrat unless they pass the "I hate Hillary" purity test.

As bad as it got during the 2008 primary, I've never seen it quite this vicious.

It seems to me that the ODSers on board here have gotten away with so much enmity toward the president that they are transferring it to HRC.

And things will change completely around here. Anyone who doesn't support the nominee will be shown the door.

In the meantime, DU needs your voice and that of more HRC supporters.

Hillary(from rw sources).. and they think the Dem candidate who wins the Nom can win in the GE without the Obama coalition? That Bernie won't want Obama campaigning with him and for him? They won't be running from Obama's Accomplishments while in Office. Even if some of his supporters are clueless about it.. I can guarantee Bernie isn't.

I see the "3rd-way" term. It sounds a lot like a mirror image of what RW sites like FreeRepublic do. It comes across as hostility towards not only Hillary supporters, but towards moderates. What I take from people who use it is that any politician or poster who strays away from them on just one or a few issues is unacceptable, a faker, etc. and has no place on the site or in the party.
I can imagine any RW lurkers on here probably ing and ing as the most popular candidate (at least in the outside world) gets her name dragged through the mud based on nonsense and misinformation. What's going on here is a win-win for them; they get to see Hillary trashed, Bernie risks having his image looking bad because of the unhinged behavior of some of his "supporters", and people who may have any legit policy concerns get drowned out by the noise.

whenever someone comes out supporting Reagan style trickle-down economics. Or at least comes out against ideas to change this. I am guilty of it. It is a label. Third way in fact does support and lobby for Reaganomic economic policy. The meaning is the same as calling someone a free-market capitalist, it just hits harder.

against it since the first time Reagan uttered the term.

Clinton: 'Trickle-Down Economics Has Failed'

Days after Republicans feasted on her claim that corporations don't create jobs, Hillary Clinton tried Monday to "be absolutely clear about what I've been saying for a couple of decades."

"So-called trickle-down economics has failed," Clinton said as she stumped for Representative Sean Patrick Maloney in New York. "Our economy grows when businesses and entrepreneurs create good-paying jobs here in an America where workers and families are empowered to build from the bottom up and the middle out–not when we hand out tax breaks for corporations that outsource jobs or stash their profits overseas."

While campaigning Friday for Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate Martha Coakley, Clinton created a stir–and drew criticism from Republicans–by saying, "Don’t let anybody tell you that it’s corporations and businesses that create jobs."

She followed that with a line about President Ronald Reagan's pet economic concept: “You know that old theory, trickle-down economics. That has been tried, that has failed. It has failed rather spectacularly."

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-10-27/clinton-trickledone-economics-has-failed