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Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:47 AM Mar 2016

That whole "superdelegates are bad" thing? Yeah, they changed their minds.

Some of them, at least.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511503368

Bernie Sanders is falling further and further behind in pledged delegates — but even after Hillary Clinton’s Tuesday romp, his campaign says there’s a longshot strategy that lets him regain momentum and win the Democratic nomination by relying on superdelegates even if he comes into the Philadelphia convention still trailing Clinton.

Sanders’ campaign thinks the next few weeks of the campaign calendar favor him and is preparing plans to make the uphill case to the superdelegates—the 718 activists and elected officials who can vote however they please—that his late-breaking momentum would make him a stronger nominee that they should support over Clinton.


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That whole "superdelegates are bad" thing? Yeah, they changed their minds. (Original Post) Chichiri Mar 2016 OP
I'm thinking the Super Dels like Hilary more. It's about who will make the best President. Cha Mar 2016 #1
Good morning Cha. stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #2
Good Mornin', stonecutter~ Cha Mar 2016 #4
He has no case to make leftofcool Mar 2016 #3
I'm thinking they're saying that to make his fans happy. Cha Mar 2016 #6
And to have them continue to open their wallets. BlueCaliDem Mar 2016 #15
Exactly, BlueCali~ Cha Mar 2016 #20
And ahead in experience, ahead in policy, etc. etc. George II Mar 2016 #19
Yeah......that's not gonna happen. Lucinda Mar 2016 #5
hillary's huge lead in actual votes will keep super delegates committed to her... beachbum bob Mar 2016 #7
K&R! DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #8
Agreed. charlyvi Mar 2016 #38
Can anyone imagine Bill Clinton going to the Convention and voting against Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #9
He's moving his goalposts. He thought winning Michigan by a hair would give livetohike Mar 2016 #10
Four legs good 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #11
They like SDs now? mcar Mar 2016 #12
Flipping super delegates will not be easy for Sanders Gothmog Mar 2016 #13
And they call Clinton's campaign "Camp Weathervane"? George II Mar 2016 #14
But a LOT less, lately. George II. A LOT less. BlueCaliDem Mar 2016 #16
Beat me to it. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #25
For how many more weeks will we have to listen to that "momentum" stuff? Each and every week.... George II Mar 2016 #17
Momentum is a vector in Newtonian mechanics cosmicone Mar 2016 #26
Yep. I'm a mechanical engineer - learned that in Physics 101. George II Mar 2016 #28
please block me from this group LittleGirl Mar 2016 #18
That's the software. Talk to Skinner leftofcool Mar 2016 #21
Carole King wrote a song... Tanuki Mar 2016 #22
I know how you feel. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #30
Clinton's superdelegates are Democrats, aren't they? Light63 Mar 2016 #23
In other news cosmicone Mar 2016 #24
I'm sure that Gary Hart HappyinLA Mar 2016 #27
Funny, I Thought Those Were Undemocratic DarthDem Mar 2016 #29
well.. there's been quite a few paradoxes from that side, this one shouldn't be a surprise. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #31
I don't make any claims to be entirely consistent myself... kjones Mar 2016 #35
You've summarized what I've seen in online comments sections everywhere wonderfully. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #36
This is a bad strategy on Senator Sanders' part... SylviaD Mar 2016 #32
I think trying to get the SDs to switch their votes will only end up annoying them. Laser102 Mar 2016 #33
If they use the same approach they've used to "persuade" minorities to support Bernie.... yardwork Mar 2016 #34
K & R SunSeeker Mar 2016 #37

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
15. And to have them continue to open their wallets.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:01 AM
Mar 2016

No one sees, mathematically, how he can overtake Hillary. No. ONE.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
7. hillary's huge lead in actual votes will keep super delegates committed to her...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:59 AM
Mar 2016

sanders people gotta grasp at straws at this point

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
8. K&R!
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:08 AM
Mar 2016

I think his admission on national television about choosing to run as a Democrat for convenience closed those doors to him.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
38. Agreed.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:47 AM
Mar 2016

In fact, I think that attitude might have contributed to the Hillary sweep. To me, Bernie's ethical, honest and decent man persona fell quite a few notches after that.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
9. Can anyone imagine Bill Clinton going to the Convention and voting against
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:13 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary? There are lots other super delegates I dont see changing their endorsement but I can see where many more super delegates endorsements.

livetohike

(22,147 posts)
10. He's moving his goalposts. He thought winning Michigan by a hair would give
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:38 AM
Mar 2016

him momentum. Hillary threw water on the Bern. #Feelthesteam LOL

Gothmog

(145,326 posts)
13. Flipping super delegates will not be easy for Sanders
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:53 AM
Mar 2016

These super delegates care about the long term survival and strength of the party. Sanders has shown no interest in the party other than to try to take over the party. Many super delegates will be very worried about Sanders and his platform killing down ballot candidates. I doubt that Sanders will be successful

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. For how many more weeks will we have to listen to that "momentum" stuff? Each and every week....
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:03 AM
Mar 2016

....he falls further and further behind, yes we're continually told Sanders has "momentum".

In one sense I guess he does have momentum, but not toward winning the nomination.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
26. Momentum is a vector in Newtonian mechanics
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:35 AM
Mar 2016

and thus one CAN have a negative momentum like Sanders has now.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
18. please block me from this group
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:03 AM
Mar 2016

It keeps showing up on the front page and I don't care to read this anymore. thanks.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
30. I know how you feel.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:56 AM
Mar 2016

many of the front page articles are from the Bernie group.

Just because you are removed from the group won't make them stop showing up on the home page.. believe me I've been kicked out of Bernies group for a while now, and they're still there every day.

On the bright side for you.. you'll be subjected to a LOT fewer of ours than we will be of yours.

Light63

(233 posts)
23. Clinton's superdelegates are Democrats, aren't they?
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:30 AM
Mar 2016

Why should they switch their votes to Sanders, when he after all is an Independent? Sanders is running behind a Democratic mirage.

HappyinLA

(129 posts)
27. I'm sure that Gary Hart
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:37 AM
Mar 2016

will be more than willing to tell them how well that strategy works. After all, it's how he beat Dukakis in 1984...

DarthDem

(5,256 posts)
29. Funny, I Thought Those Were Undemocratic
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:40 AM
Mar 2016

. . . or something. These Bernouts are getting a little silly.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
31. well.. there's been quite a few paradoxes from that side, this one shouldn't be a surprise.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:16 AM
Mar 2016

Polls are bad and unreliable.. when they show Clinton ahead.
Polls are the written and absolute confirmation of Bernies greatness.. when Bernie is ahead.

The MSN is all part of the bought and paid for oligarchy and owned by the evil Clinton woman.. when it's either pro clinton, anti Sanders, or neutral.
The news is awesome, and finally being objective and fair and balanced.. when it's either Pro Sanders or anti-Clinton. Even if it is just an opinion piece.

If Sanders wins a state it's living proof that the people are waking up, he has the momentum, he's the new Prophet of our time (actual quote by the way from: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280142491
If Sanders looses a state by just a little bit.. he still really and technically won the state.
If Hillary wins a state.. well.. it's got to be some kind of "shenanigans", after all someone's brothers cousin's nephew's best friend twice removed said they saw someone with a Hillary pin within 100' of a polling station.. It's also because the people of the state are everything from uneducated, really republicans, or.. well.. I can't really say the other thing they've been called (think South Carolina).. Bernie peop's can say it and avoid a hide, but I can't repeat it or quote it without being hidden. So.. let's just say they've called some of Hillary's demographics of supporters unflattering things because they had the audacity not to see the greatness that is Sanders.

Sooooo, you have to look at the context of what's been pointed out... if it favors Sanders it's good. If it in any way criticizes Sanders.. ohhhh bad. If it's pro Hillary.. it's bought and paid for bad.. If it's anti Hillary.. well, it's all factual and indisputable. If it's both Pro Sanders AND anti Hillary - It's added to the new book of Psalms as written by the holy Prophet.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
35. I don't make any claims to be entirely consistent myself...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:54 AM
Mar 2016

but someone please tell me if I'm wrong to think this BS campaign
has completely abused it...hypocritical in the max?

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
36. You've summarized what I've seen in online comments sections everywhere wonderfully.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:04 AM
Mar 2016

Thank you, that was so funny. I see exactly what you're describing all over the place and it's blowing my mind.

SylviaD

(721 posts)
32. This is a bad strategy on Senator Sanders' part...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:33 AM
Mar 2016

...if his position becomes untenable, my suggestion would be that he gracefully bow out.

Laser102

(816 posts)
33. I think trying to get the SDs to switch their votes will only end up annoying them.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:38 AM
Mar 2016

Governor Hickenlooper in Colorado is one of those people. He's already warned the Bernie group that he's not changing his mind so don't bother asking.

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