Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumHow do I really feel about Bernie Sanders, his campaign and Hillary Clinton our future POTUS....
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It's amazing to me that the "Progressive Millennials" have entrusted their "Revolution" to Bernie Sanders. He has been one of the most uninspiring and ineffective revolutionaries imaginable during his decades of lackluster service. Naming post offices is a poor lead up to changing the world.
I almost feel sorry for his small group of hardcore followers. In November the election is over and the media will go on to the next shiny object to dangle in front of the Most Easily Led. The lion's share of Bernie's followers will move on leaving his loyal Naderites and Lefty Libertarians to mourn the loss of their revolutionary dreams. Thankfully, a woman who has decades of experience, knowledge and service will be taking over the presidency from the remarkable Barack Obama.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I turn the TV off when I see him.
kydo
(2,679 posts)But it is 50/50 on turn off or mute.
George II
(67,782 posts)...(appropriate switch!)
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)story.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I just turned to husband when MSNBC announced Wednesday night lineup of back-to-back interviews with Hillary and Bernie, and said, "I'll watch Hillary, but not Bernie." I'm done with him. I know his song and dance and I'm so tired of his negative campaign. People talk about holding their noses and voting, well, that's exactly how I would vote for Bernie if, by some crazy turn of events he got the nomination.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Bernie Sanders is not.
I know that sounds lukewarm; I actually think Hillary will make a great president, and Sanders an awful one.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)I used to listen to him every Friday and then came the primary talk and he never said he was disappointed - just millions of Americans were, he never said who that "somebody" was he wanted to primary the president, but it was clear he was that somebody but didn't have the balls to come out and say it.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)I used to listen to him on the Tom Hartman show every Friday......
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)sweetloukillbot
(11,089 posts)At least before 2008. I guess it's easier to be pragmatic when you're in the minority.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)I will try to paraphrase her as closely as possible/ She said:
When we were in college we all knew that one guy who always thought he knew more than anyone else, he always thought he was more moral than anyone else, and he always shouted down anyone who dared to offer any challenge to anything he said. Then we left college and forgot all about him, until Bernie Sanders ran for president, and the we all though "Oh, my god, he's still around."
I knew more than a few people like that.
synergie
(1,901 posts)pnwmom
(109,000 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)That's why I will only live in a private home! I can just imagine Bernie hating my herb garden!!!
LiberalFighter
(51,138 posts)While most of the other neighborhoods in my city have HAs.
The advantage of first being outside the city and then being annexed.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,138 posts)Haven't we all known him
MADem
(135,425 posts)Everything is "wrong," and "everyone" should be "outraged," but he has no solutions for anything.
He is avoided by EVERYONE in the neighborhood. Incessant complaining, incessant know-it-all-ing, but if you suggest he get off his ass and fix it, he'd rather rail about "them." Doesn't matter which "they," either.
He used to gripe about my dog all the time, my little dog that would go out in the back yard at nine every morning and bark at a few squirrels for ten minutes, have a good pee, then come back in the house. Even called the dog police (who told him to get bent).
Then, in WONDERFUL revenge, two families with small, shrieking children moved in--one next door to him, one right behind the first family (both are in eyeball sight of my house). They kept having babies, too--AND, they got DOGS. Dogs that bark, bark, bark. Then, the guy next door to the shrieking kids family got a new dog after their old dog died. More barking! Then, the people across the road from him got a nice, bark-y dog.
I like dogs--if a dog is barking, someone that doesn't belong (be it a squirrel in the morning, or a burglar at night) is in the area. So bark away, neighborhood dogs--you do a better job than the cops!
Bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yea, mon frere~~!!!!!
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)Knew I had seen him somewhere before!
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)I know him so well.
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I just tried to forget about him and certainly won't be around anyone like him in real life.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)offensive Buttons Campaign organizers are passing out.. There is no denying it anymore FEC report is out and if you look at who got paid and what they do.. It's Ugly. The Rahm/Hillary signs in Chicago... It was all PAID peeps from his campaign.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)He released only 1 year of taxes. Just a guess... I think he hid his 30 MIL under his wife's name the year before and now only wants to release 1 year.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)From her speeches. Can't have anybody looking into his past.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Thank God.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,274 posts)The guy makes six figures. He's 16 years older than me and if he's telling the truth his net worth is less than mine.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I want him to release 5 years.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)Clinton is running the positive campaign Sanders promised, and he's running the dirty campaign that all his supporters were so certain would come from Hillary. And since his supporters operate on clearly subjective ethics, it's all good. "Anything in service of BERNIE," should be the new campaign slogan.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)I made 24K last year. I PAID a bit over 1K in taxes between federal and state. He got a 4K REFUND???????
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I want to see the details of 5 years.
LiberalFighter
(51,138 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)WHUT
wtf did I miss?
Cha
(297,774 posts)mcar
(42,390 posts)This primary season has been beyond weird.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Tough act she has to follow but she will do it.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Same Rhetoric different day.
brer cat
(24,621 posts)sheshe2
(83,942 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)The whole thing is peculiar and sad.
UtahLib
(3,179 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)for the left.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)the Lefty Rand Paul???
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)JSup
(740 posts)...some of the more abusive and prolific posters are the same people.
I used to read things on the Paul sites; same style and paranoia.
I understand the paranoia, I do. During Occupy Wall Street my boyfriend was watching some of the first protests live (I was uninterested, but I could see it) and so I saw, live, the girls get pepper sprayed by the jackass cop. And then I watched the news, mostly Fox, edit the videos to be short enough that they could say "We don't know what happened, maybe they provoked him before the start of this clip, maybe they deserved it". I was stunned and terrified that the news could just flat out lie like that; I'd been hearing them called liars for years but I tend to not believe negative things without proof for myself (not wiki, not blogs or anything from the internet).
I fell down the rabbit hole for a good while after that; how could I trust anything at all? I started seeing conspiracy in everything, which was scary because I knew I was seeing conspiracy in everything. I did all I could to correct my distrust of everything, but I'll never trust like I did before.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I truly cannot understand why he's so worshipped by his followers. I often wonder if their adoration is genuine, or if it's just an act intended to annoy or to over-compensate.
William769
(55,148 posts)Cha
(297,774 posts)murielm99
(30,775 posts)I feel sorry for them, too.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)He's actually never played well with others, with society. He never held down a full time, long term job prior to becoming Mayor at age 39. He's a hippy that never grew up, that still can't do anything except earn a living from the tax payer. Nothing wrong with hippies per se...but to expect a majority of Dems to march to his drum is delusional.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)I spent 40 years thinking it was wrong to be successful and resenting those that were. I recovered and have done OK. I hear a lot of envy and resentment among Sanders supporters disguised as caring for others. I think the whole brouhaha about the speeches is all about envy- which Bernie stokes as he increases his net worth every year.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)I pity the people of Vermont having to hear that awful sound on a regular basis
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)I actually find him unbearable to listen to.
I've been thinking a fair amount about why some find him so attractive. DOn't really get it. But I tend to think of him as a candidate of the Id -- all passion and desire and emotion, with no real thought and unconstrained by reason.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)he is going be the one history remembers for doing what the Bolshevieks could not.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Katie's room in college with the Stalin poster
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)pandr32
(11,625 posts)I agree 100%
creon
(1,183 posts)He is a long time fixture in DC; a member of the "Establishment".
He is a professional politician, with all that entails.
He is not a savior; he is not anti establishment.
He is a socialist in a country that has no Socialist Party.
He is 74; and, 2016 is his chance. He is going for broke.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)I think they are way out of the league for BS to speak there. Im almost frightened as much by his simplistic revolution as I am of Dump.
BROOKINGS
Jonathan Rothwell | March 25, 2016 9:50am
Make elites compete: Why the 1% earn so much and what to do about it
Myth 1: Capital vs. labor share
In his recent and otherwise valuable book, Saving Capitalism: For the Many, not the Few, Robert Reich claims that the share of income going to workers has fallen from 50 percent in 1960 to 42 percent in 2012. Meanwhile, corporate profits have risen. In short: trillions of dollars have gone to capitalists instead of workers. The sensible policy responses, as Reich and others have stressed, are to increase taxes on corporate income and capital gains, and widen capital ownership.
These might be a good idea for other reasons, but the basic facts currently being used to justify them are wrong. Between 1980 and 2014, corporate profits actually represented a lower share of GDP (4.9 percent) than between 1950 and 1979 (5.4 percent)
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Myth 2: Super skills lead to super riches
It is certainly true that rising relative returns to education have driven up inequality. But as I have written earlier, this is true among the bottom 99 percent. There is no evidence to support the idea that the top 1 percent consists mostly of people of exceptional talent. In fact, there is quite a bit of evidence to the contrary
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Myth 3: Technology
Some entrepreneurs grow enormously rich as a result of founding a company with an innovative product. This applies to Mark Zuckerberg, as well as to Bill Gates and other mega-stars of the tech sector. Venture capitalist Paul Graham has recently written about this as an important aspect of inequality, and hes correct. It is. But again, it has little to do with the rise of the 1 percent
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http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/social-mobility-memos/posts/2016/03/25-make-elites-compete-why-one-percent-earn-so-much-rothwell
Legends303
(481 posts)of the Sander's supporters is nauseating to listen to sometimes, they attack Hilary more then they defend Sanders. Just because you're not for Bernie means you're not a true Democrat or Liberal I've been told.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)I want Hillary in the WH and Bernie in the Senate. Not so thrilled with some aspects of both campaigns.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)I don't want to have to choose from the lesser of two evils when I have a candidate I'd be proud to vote for. She's ten times better than anyone else running and I'm tired of the bigotry. I don't mind differences in preference, don't like her, or her policies, fine, each to their own... but the bigotry and hatred and double standards... the effort to censor other voices, these things are really hard to stomach.