Hillary Clinton

lunamagica

(9,967 posts) Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:15 PM Mar 2016

I'm amazed at the ignorance about SDs didplayed on this board

On GD-P

Why is it so hard to get that Pledged Delegates and super Delegates are different things? That SDs are no bound in any way, and they are free to vote as they wish?

I had to laugh at the Sanders supporter taping a SD who said they'd vote foe Hillary, regardless of the outcome in Alaska. They are going nuts over this, as if it was some Watergate-like gotcha moment.

Again SDs ARE NO BOUND TO ANY CANDIDATE OR RESULT. THEY ARE FREE TO VOTE AS THEY WISH.

In a way, I hope Sanders camp gets its wish (though I know it won't happen). Don't they see that if they get their wish, Hillary's lead will grow even bigger? Such classic example of #BernieMath.

Unless they demand that SD must vote like the winner of the state only in states won by Sanders. That wouldn't surprise me at all

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I'm amazed at the ignorance about SDs didplayed on this board (Original Post) lunamagica Mar 2016 OP

We get it. We just think it's bullshit. CrispyQ Mar 2016 #1

I don't disagree with you. I never cared for SDs -though now, with all that's happening lunamagica Mar 2016 #2

so if a super wants to vote for bernie it is automatically no longer BS nt msongs Mar 2016 #3

Hillary currently leads Bernie in all measures jmowreader Mar 2016 #4

I am not in the wrong group. I am in the wrong party. -nt CrispyQ Mar 2016 #5

The door to the GOP is to the right. Feel free. jmowreader Mar 2016 #6

I like Green better than red. -nt CrispyQ Mar 2016 #14

Is somebody holding you down? 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #7

You're probably also at the wrong website, then. stopbush Mar 2016 #10

Click the X in the upper right of your window LannyDeVaney Mar 2016 #11

Yeah. That's why unknown grassroots candidates like Jimmy Carter, Barack Obama stopbush Mar 2016 #9

SDs are trusted members of the Democratic Party SharonClark Mar 2016 #12

Would they feel the same if a George Wallace or Ralph Nader was winning? LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #16

Unhinged whinges Tarc Mar 2016 #8

I was amused by that story of the bernie bro making a fool of himself with an Alaskan super delegate Gothmog Mar 2016 #13

If there really is an "emerging Democratic majority", this is most certainly its adolescence. nt CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #15

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)

1. We get it. We just think it's bullshit.

Reply to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:35 PM

Mar 2016

We know SDs were put in place so dem leadership never had to deal with another McGovern. They are there to stomp out grassroots movements & give status quo candidates an advantage.

From wiki: Because they are free to support anyone they want, superdelegates could potentially swing the results to nominate a presidential candidate who did not receive the majority of votes during the primaries.

When the chickens come home to roost, dem leadership will blame the left. Again.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)

2. I don't disagree with you. I never cared for SDs -though now, with all that's happening

Reply to CrispyQ (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:44 PM

Mar 2016

with Trump, I'm having second thoughts. I'm sure the GOP wishes they had SDs now.

However, the candidates agreed to run with these rules. Rules shoundn't be changed in the middle of an election season just because one side isn't getting their way

msongs

(67,420 posts)

3. so if a super wants to vote for bernie it is automatically no longer BS nt

Reply to CrispyQ (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 03:06 PM

Mar 2016

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)

4. Hillary currently leads Bernie in all measures

Reply to CrispyQ (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 03:08 PM

Mar 2016

She has more states - 17 to 14
She has more pledged delegates
She has more superdelegates
And she has more voters.

Hillary received 1,097,400 votes in the Florida Democratic Primary.
1,017,006 votes in Illinois.
935,080 votes in Texas.
616,383 votes in North Carolina.

Populations of our eight least populated states:
Rhode Island: 1.056,298
Montana: 1,032,949
Delaware: 945,934
South Dakota: 858,469
North Dakota: 756,927
Alaska: 738,432 (already declared for Bernie)
Vermont: 626,042 (already declared for Bernie)
Wyoming: 586,107

So far there are four states Hillary has run in, where her vote totals exceed the populations of entire states.

You look at McGovern and see a man who was running a grassroots movement. I look at him as the man who put Richard Nixon back in the White House in a 49-state sweep. At least McGovern had the grace to win a state with 14 electoral votes, which Bernie will NOT do. And the Republicans we have to contend with this time around are far more dangerous than Nixon ever was.

And you are in the wrong group.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)

5. I am not in the wrong group. I am in the wrong party. -nt

Reply to jmowreader (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 03:17 PM

Mar 2016

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)

6. The door to the GOP is to the right. Feel free.

Reply to CrispyQ (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 03:27 PM

Mar 2016

Bernie Sanders supporters are not welcome in the Hillary Clinton group. You have the rest of DU.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)

14. I like Green better than red. -nt

Reply to jmowreader (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:33 AM

Mar 2016

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)

7. Is somebody holding you down?

Reply to CrispyQ (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 03:37 PM

Mar 2016

stopbush

(24,396 posts)

10. You're probably also at the wrong website, then.

Reply to CrispyQ (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 04:31 PM

Mar 2016

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)

11. Click the X in the upper right of your window

Reply to CrispyQ (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 04:43 PM

Mar 2016

stopbush

(24,396 posts)

9. Yeah. That's why unknown grassroots candidates like Jimmy Carter, Barack Obama

Reply to CrispyQ (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 04:30 PM

Mar 2016

Bill Clinton and Michael Dukakis never stood a chance of winning the D nomination from the establishment candidates.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)

12. SDs are trusted members of the Democratic Party

Reply to CrispyQ (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:04 PM

Mar 2016

who have proven that they care about the success of the party. Relationships matter in politics as in life. Why is that so hard to understand?

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)

16. Would they feel the same if a George Wallace or Ralph Nader was winning?

Reply to SharonClark (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 05:47 PM

Mar 2016

Yes! Automatic delegates should do what they feel is best for the party. I sure wouldn't trust good weather voters who are not actively involved in the party. Just because they are a voter doesn't mean they get to decide the rules for the Democratic Party.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)

8. Unhinged whinges

Reply to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 04:17 PM

Mar 2016

This is how the party is structured, and if they don't like it they can go elsewhere as far as I'm concerned. The Party needs a wee bit of control on its nomination process otherwise it is susceptible to lunatic hijackings (yes I'm looking at you Donald Trump).

And no, I'm not comparing Bernie to Donald...he (Bernie) is my solid 2nd choice should something go wrong.

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)

13. I was amused by that story of the bernie bro making a fool of himself with an Alaskan super delegate

Reply to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:10 PM

Mar 2016

The lack of awareness of that bernie bro was really fun to laugh at

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)

15. If there really is an "emerging Democratic majority", this is most certainly its adolescence. nt

Reply to lunamagica (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:38 AM

Mar 2016

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