Hillary Clinton
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HILLARY CLINTON ROOM
Adam Johnson
In his presidential announcement Saturday, former Maryland Governor Martin OMalley raised many reasonable objections to Hillary Clinton's candidacy, targeting her institutional status and cozy relationship with Wall Street. But one popular objection he raised, that Clinton is somehow comparable to Jeb Bush in that she represents a rising American aristocracy isn't just false - it's manifestly sexist. It's a common refrain but one that, when carefully considered, is fraught with messy gender politics and wholly unfair demagoguery.
http://www.alternet.org/no-omalley-clintons-are-not-dynasty-and-its-sexist-keep-saying-so
shenmue
(38,506 posts)not appointed. We don't have a hereditary peerage in this country.
Hillary was elected by people who like her and wanted to vote for her.
That seems to bother some people.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)It is a rather tired refrain of her detractors.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)He is so far behind that he will have to do something. I will say that O'Malley would be my second choice for the nomination and his supporters on DU are wonderful people. Notice that in their group you do not find anti-Hillary BS.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)actually a true blue Democrat!
So, a notch above Sanders and Chafee?
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)would be very hard to get excited about him
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Its something about O'Malley I truly like, so therefore, yeah 2nd choice.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)the video HillaryMOJO posted so graciously and did not bring out any negatives on him.
It turns me off his candidacy. The video sounded direct and strong and that appeals to some. That's all some candidates have, faux strength, a 'masculine' aspect.
I'm disappointed he has gone negative on Obama and HRC many times. Why not promote is ideals in a singular fashion, if he's right? Is he running against Democrats, not the GOP?
His manager also called Bernie 'crazy.' Now the whole of the DNC is being asked to apologize for the words of one man who doesn't speak for all. That is not fair but it appeals to those who are anti-Hillary, as if they are for the anti-establishment candidate.
Hillary is an anti-establishment candidate, but some prefer CT to what the woman has done with her life, instead.
For that matter, Bernie is pretty much part of the establishment, having voted for the F-35 for jobs for his state (why no outcry about the MICC?), and voted for the first AUMF for Bush to go into Afghanistan (flogging the 'HRC voted for the Iraq War, that's the ultimate offense to ME!' doesn't hold water) and he voted for paying for every Iraq War funding bill:
I have nothing against that, the world isn't perfect and most of us know that. Bernie doesn't go negative, especially vs Hillary.
Mineral Man posted:
Optimism encourages activism.
Pessimism enables inaction.
Activism breeds change.
Inaction begets nothing.
Ignorance gone to seed is going to destroy this nation. And there are those who are promoting it and have a lot of money invested in destroying us. It is pure profit from their POV, as chaos gives them the opportunity to loot.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)He won't go far with that argument.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)O'Malley's campaign manager is Bill Hyers who ran Bill de Blasio's campaigns.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026796974
Not the manager, but it's also not the fault of the entire DNC that an O'Malley supporter is the one they media decided to ask. Will O'Malley support Sanders?
Because he's going on the attack against HRC, and not showing respect for a fellow Democrat.
Neither Bernie nor Hillary have gone negative on each other or on O'Malley.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)been attacking HRC. Most interviewers press him to attack and he goes out of his way to avoid attacks. There are distinctions between the candidates and no one can get elected without bringing up those distinctions.
Here's a typical exchange where the interviewer prompts him to attack HRC, but doesn't take the bait:
GOVERNOR O'MALLEY: I'm saying that what we need new leadership to accomplish is to actually rein in excesses-- on Wall Street. And when you have somebody that's the CEO of one of the biggest repeat-- offending investment banks in the country telling his employees that he'd be fine with either Bush or Clinton, that should tell all of us something.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: You don't see a difference?
GOVERNOR O'MALLEY: Do I see a difference? Sure, I see many differences. But one of the most important differences when it comes to reining in Wall Street is who's on our side. I have the independence. I have the track record.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: You think
GOVERNOR O'MALLEY: Governments for
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: --Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush would have the same approach to Wall Street?
GOVERNOR O'MALLEY: I don't know what Secretary Clinton's-- approach to Wall Street might be. She will run her own campaign and I will run mine. I can tell you this. I am not beholden to Wall Street interests. There are not Wall Street CEOs banging down my door and trying to participate or help my campaign.
ONE MORE DIFFERENCE - THE PRESIDENT'S CONTROVERSIAL PACIFIC TRADE AGREEMENT - OMALLEY'S STAKED HIS CLAIM - CLINTON HAS YET TO WEIGH IN
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: You think she's gonna be for it?
GOVERNOR O'MALLEY: Well, she's been awfully silent, but I'm sure she'll come out with a position in her own-- in her own time. I have not been silent. I'm opposed to it. We shouldn't be in a race to the bottom for the cheapest labor in the world. That diminishes us as a people and it hurts our economy.
There are a lot more examples of this in DU's O'Malley group.
O'Malley is friend of the Clintons and most of his supporters (at least here on DU) admire HRC and recognize that she may be the nominee. We'll vote for her if she gets the nomination.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)He's not playing coy. He said even in your own quote, she was essentially a Wall Street animal. Like they've said about Obama, like they say about Hillary. You may have read something in the O'Malley group, but I'm not playing the DU games anymore.
He could have done what Bernie did and refuse to talk about HRC in his interviews. As Bernie said to whatever Koch shill interviewing him, he was not going to allow him to move the conversation over to Hillary. He is about his campaign, not hers.
O'Malley didn't do the same thing with the MSM shill. Yes, they all know each other. But the gambit of going after each other only serves the GOP. Protraying one's self as better than another Democrat no matter how one is being begged to do so, is helping the GOP.
Perhaps O'Malley was simply unprepared for the interview. I liked his speech I posted from the Hillary MOJO site. I thought it inspiring. This kind of thing, not at all.
You have your opinion, and I'm not a host. They are more generous in letting people have their say. You're not pushing your luck with them. And I don't object to you posts at all.
But he shouldn't have characterized her in the fashion he did there. It's part of Koch media poison. Tired of the games and gotchas being played here, this is really not about you. I respect you standing by your chosen candidate. Mine is whoever is going to be nominated in the general. HRC deserves better than she gets here at DU, much better.
Peace Out.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)She just happens to be very capable to step into the office of president. I prefer Hillary's qualifications to be the top.
Cha
(297,275 posts)Exactly! Well said, Adam Johnson.
http://www.alternet.org/no-omalley-clintons-are-not-dynasty-and-its-sexist-keep-saying-so
It's so wrong of Gov O'Malley and makes me think less of him.. It's not something then Senator Obama would have done. He knows it's not true.
Thank you, Justin!
okasha
(11,573 posts)For someone to come into a primary contest that's taken on pretty definitive shape this early, you tend to think his real objective must be the VP slot, and a step up in due time. I don't see Hillary or Bernie warming up to this guy, though. In any case, it seems that Julian Castro is Hillary's running mate in all but official title. That's a ticket Texas dems will crawl over broken glass to vote for, and if they bag Texas, then not only is it all over for the R's this cycle, it will totally destroy the Southern Strategy for the future.
So the only thing that seems to be within O'Malleys reach in the next year is some name recognition and possibly a Cabinet post. 'Course, if she really wants to put him in long-term parking, Hillary can name him Ambassador to Latvia.