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Walk away

(9,494 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:56 PM Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders hasn't released his tax returns! Any ideas why??????

He been asked several times on national TV and even Trump has come up with better excuses. Hillary has released 8 years worth and Bernie's campaign has used it to criticize her.

Why can't Bernie release his???? Is there something about them that would matter to primary voters??? Is he hiding something we need to know??? Does anyone really believe it's because "Jane is busy"?????

Maybe if we had a list of possible reasons we could compile them and figure out why he is, apparently, being dishonest about this.

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Bernie Sanders hasn't released his tax returns! Any ideas why?????? (Original Post) Walk away Apr 2016 OP
Apparently it's because Jane has been busy. Democrats Ascendant Apr 2016 #1
I know! Rose Siding Apr 2016 #18
And Hillary isn't? hamsterjill Apr 2016 #31
Touché! spooky3 Apr 2016 #45
Bernie can hem and haw about Jane being too busy to release the 2015 filing, but he hasn't even BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #2
If you see anyone ask where Clinton has released her full tax returns, refer them to her website CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #5
I usually refer them to Taxhistory.org. There's a complete overview of all presidential candidates BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #6
Thanks DesertRat Apr 2016 #15
Glad to be of service, DR! BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #25
Interesting. His return should incluse Schedule A - itemized deductions - $56K!! question everything Apr 2016 #22
That's very high, given that he probably had minimal health care expenses, and spooky3 Apr 2016 #44
Still does not add question everything Apr 2016 #46
I agree it doesn't add up. spooky3 Apr 2016 #47
Thank you for this DesertRat Apr 2016 #16
He doesn't want people to realize he's a 1%er. It would kill his narrative. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #3
At his age, with the income he and she must have earned over many years, if he WEREN'T spooky3 Apr 2016 #12
Yes, his dishonesty is silly, but shows how badly he needs to perpetuate his narrative. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #39
agree! spooky3 Apr 2016 #43
That is exactly why he hasn't released them, IMO. DawgHouse Apr 2016 #38
Mr Salt of the Earth is a little more worldly than he's let on, I suspect. nt CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #4
Sanders defends not releasing last 8 years of tax returns: ‘My wife does them’ and we’ve been a bit Her Sister Apr 2016 #7
I saw his interview this morning, CNN I believe, it was pretty funny (and phony) George II Apr 2016 #8
He couldn't release returns from PAST years? spooky3 Apr 2016 #10
Sanders defends not releasing last 8 years of tax returns: ‘My wife does them’ and we’ve been a bit still_one Apr 2016 #9
I can't wait for her to use this the next time BS asks her about releasing her speech texts. spooky3 Apr 2016 #11
BS needs to get his priorities straight.. take a miniute from his adoring fans and get his Cha Apr 2016 #20
Absolutely. If someone wanted me to produce my previous tax returns, I would have still_one Apr 2016 #21
Well, we know he's a thief. He stole from thr DNC and the Clinton campaign so.... Walk away Apr 2016 #13
Just more proof that BS is a slime who needs to look in the mirror. stopbush Apr 2016 #14
wow! stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #17
Tax Time Bernie........ Iamaartist Apr 2016 #19
My guess SanDiegoDem Apr 2016 #23
Senator BS is above all that. He walks the Earth barefoot wearing sackcloth, a begging bowl.... Hekate Apr 2016 #24
Of course..."Just vote for me first and then i'll tell you about my $$$" Walk away Apr 2016 #26
LOL, too funny. Good one. nt CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #35
For self filers, like many of us DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #27
He is not poor creon Apr 2016 #28
Kick liberal N proud Apr 2016 #29
Kicked and happily recommended! n/t Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #30
This earlier post from 2015: Bernie funneled campaign cash to family members Her Sister Apr 2016 #32
Wow! What a great post!!! Here it is again..... Walk away Apr 2016 #33
From BlueCaliDem from that thread Her Sister Apr 2016 #34
oops! Thanks. I thought I copied BlueCaliDem too! Walk away Apr 2016 #36
Because he doesn't actually expect to win the nomination? And ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #37
It's got to be a bit embarrassing for Jane 72DejaVu Apr 2016 #40
What? BS still hasn't released tax returns! KICK fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #41
With their salaries, the Sanders should be millionaires SharonClark Apr 2016 #42

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
2. Bernie can hem and haw about Jane being too busy to release the 2015 filing, but he hasn't even
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:07 PM
Apr 2016

released the full and complete 2014 Federal filing, and hasn't released any other Federal tax filing from years prior even though he's been in Federal gov't for 25+ years!

Barack Obama released all his Federal tax filings from 2000-2008 when he ran. He continues to release these.

Hillary Clinton has done the same, and continues to release the full Federal tax filings up to 2014.

Jeb Bush, for chrissakes has released his Federal tax filings! So did his brother, Duhbya, and even Dark Cheney.

So why does Bernie think he's special that he only has to release his 1040 Form that shows NOTHING.

What is he hiding? Why so secretive, &quot Not-so) Everyday Man"?

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
5. If you see anyone ask where Clinton has released her full tax returns, refer them to her website
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:17 PM
Apr 2016
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/tax-returns/

It's much more than just the two 1040 summary pages.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
6. I usually refer them to Taxhistory.org. There's a complete overview of all presidential candidates
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:27 PM
Apr 2016

who have released their full and complete Federal filings.

http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/PresidentialTaxReturns?OpenDocument

You can even click on the dates to see their entire Federal tax filings for that year. They even have copies of FDR's!

Bernie is still at ONE and it's just the IRS 1040 form, two pages, and nothing else. Even Newt Gingrich released a full and complete Federal tax filing!

So why hasn't Bernie?

question everything

(47,510 posts)
22. Interesting. His return should incluse Schedule A - itemized deductions - $56K!!
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

ans Schedule C - business income - $4900, and CE - business tax.

spooky3

(34,462 posts)
44. That's very high, given that he probably had minimal health care expenses, and
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:25 PM
Apr 2016

it suggests that they probably

(a) had very high income (they would then have deducted high state income taxes on sch. A);
(b) could have had high charitable contributions (on sch. A.);
or
(c) had at least one very valuable house (they would then have deducted high real estate taxes and possibly mortgage interest).

There is no shame in this - only shame if someone is being hypocritical about it.

question everything

(47,510 posts)
46. Still does not add
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:49 PM
Apr 2016

Apparently they gave about $12,000 to charity and paid about $8,000 in Vermont income tax. As per Politico, they have a mortgage of less than $100,000 on a D.C. condo and also own a property in Vermont. Hard to see how the interest and taxes get them to an additional $30K+. Also, if they're deducting income and property taxes, wouldn't they end up paying the ATM at their income level?

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-wife-accounts-for-reported-assets-120261

spooky3

(34,462 posts)
47. I agree it doesn't add up.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:10 AM
Apr 2016

I think they are subject to reductions between the Sch A subtotal and the Sch A amount they can deduct on page 1. So the original subtotal would be > 57000. On an AGI of about 200000, this seems high. What other Sch A expenses could they qualify for? Did they have a casualty loss?

The DC condo is probably worth a LOT more than the 100000k mortgage balance. My guess is that they pay 5000 a year or more in real estate taxes on it, plus some mortgage interest.

SunSeeker

(51,607 posts)
3. He doesn't want people to realize he's a 1%er. It would kill his narrative.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Of course, it is pretty obvious Sanders is a millionaire, like Hillary, who he has been bashing for being part of the "millionaires and billionaires" he is always railing about.

spooky3

(34,462 posts)
12. At his age, with the income he and she must have earned over many years, if he WEREN'T
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:00 PM
Apr 2016

a millionaire based on retirement savings and home equity alone, he would be a fiscally irresponsible person. They should have been able to save a lot, even if he never invested in the stock market or anything risky. (I'm not aware of any medical crises that would have outstripped their health insurance benefits or anything like that that could wipe out savings).

It's a little different to be a millionaire in your 20s, versus a retirement-aged professional person or couple who should have been saving a long time. A million dollars provides only $40000 per year in annual interest/dividend/other income (at the rate retirement planners say is on the high end of what you should expect to draw out).

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
7. Sanders defends not releasing last 8 years of tax returns: ‘My wife does them’ and we’ve been a bit
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:34 PM
Apr 2016
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/sanders-defends-not-releasing-last-8-years-of-tax-returns-my-wife-does-them-and-weve-been-a-bit-busy/


Appearing on CNN’s State of The Union, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders stalled off questions about releasing his income taxes for the past eight years, saying his wife does them and “we’ve been a little bit busy lately.”

Host Jake Tapper pointed out that rival Hillary Clinton has posted her returns for the last eight years online — leading to considerable criticism about her income — but Sanders has yet to post his.

“I’m kind of surprised that you haven’t gone further on transparency. You released the summary page of your 2014 tax returns,” Tapper said. “Hillary Clinton has posted on her website the last eight years of her personal returns, all of the returns. Before the New York primary will you match her? Will you post your full returns for the last eight years?”

Sanders averred, saying his wife was responsible for their taxes and that there wasn’t anything “exciting” in them.

“You know who does our tax returns? My wife does our tax returns,” Sanders began. “We’ve been a little bit busy late lately so we will get out as much information as we can but there ain’t going to be very much exciting in that. I get a salary from the United States Senate, you know, so there’s not going to be anything new in it that there hasn’t — that people haven’t seen for the last many years, but we will get it out as soon as we can.”

“But nobody has seen them at all, I guess, is the point. And whether or not there’s anything exciting in them,” Tapper replied before being abruptly cut off by Sanders.

“No. That is not true, that is not true,” Sanders replied. “Of course, we have released them in the past! Our financial situation, to the best of my knowledge, has not changed very much, but we will get out all of that information as soon as we can.”


George II

(67,782 posts)
8. I saw his interview this morning, CNN I believe, it was pretty funny (and phony)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:39 PM
Apr 2016

The man is running for President of the United States and he has his wife (who ISN'T an accountant!) do his income taxes?

spooky3

(34,462 posts)
10. He couldn't release returns from PAST years?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:52 PM
Apr 2016

As for this year, anyone with computer skills can use TurboTax to file simple returns. However, people who have lots of investments or complex situations may need more time. So exactly how complicated is his situation?

Is he going to blame his wife for everything else too?

still_one

(92,303 posts)
9. Sanders defends not releasing last 8 years of tax returns: ‘My wife does them’ and we’ve been a bit
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016

busy...


"Appearing on CNN’s State of The Union, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders stalled off questions about releasing his income taxes for the past eight years, saying his wife does them and “we’ve been a little bit busy lately.”

Host Jake Tapper pointed out that rival Hillary Clinton has posted her returns for the last eight years online — leading to considerable criticism about her income — but Sanders has yet to post his.

“I’m kind of surprised that you haven’t gone further on transparency. You released the summary page of your 2014 tax returns,” Tapper said. “Hillary Clinton has posted on her website the last eight years of her personal returns, all of the returns. Before the New York primary will you match her? Will you post your full returns for the last eight years?”

Sanders averred, saying his wife was responsible for their taxes and that there wasn’t anything “exciting” in them.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/sanders-defends-not-releasing-last-8-years-of-tax-returns-my-wife-does-them-and-weve-been-a-bit-busy/

What a frickn hypocrite

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/sanders-defends-not-releasing-last-8-years-of-tax-returns-my-wife-does-them-and-weve-been-a-bit-busy/

Cha

(297,446 posts)
20. BS needs to get his priorities straight.. take a miniute from his adoring fans and get his
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:52 PM
Apr 2016

taxes in order to be released for public consumption.

He's always hounding Hillary.. but, he wants to slide by because he's too busy?

And, why does his wife do them when she's not an accountant.. they couldn't be hiding anything, could they?

still_one

(92,303 posts)
21. Absolutely. If someone wanted me to produce my previous tax returns, I would have
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:00 PM
Apr 2016

no problem giving them at least 20 years worth of returns.

While they may be trying to cover something up, without a doubt it implicates just how disorganized the Sanders appear to be, and that is perhaps even more troubling for someone running for President of the United States

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
13. Well, we know he's a thief. He stole from thr DNC and the Clinton campaign so....
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:05 PM
Apr 2016

maybe he and Jane have been cheating on their taxes for years. He never thought he would get this far so he didn't bother to try to fix it.

SanDiegoDem

(13 posts)
23. My guess
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:42 PM
Apr 2016

He worked his taxes using loopholes so he paid less than the average senator which makes him look like he skipped on his responsibility of paying his fair share

He gave next to nothing to charity which will make him look mean spirited

He's a millionaire


I reckon he probably meets all three of these things. Tight-fisted, non- charitable guy... just like he appears. That's my guess.

Hekate

(90,755 posts)
24. Senator BS is above all that. He walks the Earth barefoot wearing sackcloth, a begging bowl....
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:39 AM
Apr 2016

....for his meals. That is how his followers know he is a True Progressive.

Why would he ever have to concern himself with anything as mundane as taxes? The filthy rich have "people" to take care of such matters, but St Bernard has Jane, and Jane is busy just now. He told us so, and so we must be patient. All will be revealed at the proper moment.

Amirite?

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
27. For self filers, like many of us
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:41 AM
Apr 2016

it's not hard AT ALL to call up my past returns. I have the pdfs. Anyone asking for them could have them near instantly. One would think the higher up the income ladder, the more likely it would be that a person would retain and use a tax filing service and/or accounting firm.

So, the wife doing the taxes thing is an excuse. A 1040 summary is not a full return, as we all know. It's funny how she had time to give that, but not the entire return.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
33. Wow! What a great post!!! Here it is again.....
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:00 PM
Apr 2016
Bernie funneled campaign cash to family members





Last edited Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:58 PM - Edit history (1)

I wonder how much of his donor's hard earned money is going to straight into the Sander's family pockets this time, don't you?

"Since 2000, Sanders has used campaign donations to pay his wife and stepdaughter more than $150,000, according to records filed with the Federal Election Commission.

His wife Jane O’Meara Sanders received $91,020 for “consultation” and to negotiate the purchase of television and radio ads. Approximately $61,000 of that was “pass through” money used to pay for the ads, O’Meara Sanders told the Bennington Banner. She kept about $30,000 as pay for her services.

Her daughter Carina Driscoll, Sanders’ stepdaughter, earned $65,002 from the Sanders campaign between 2000 and 2004, records show."


http://www.progressivestoday.com/bernie-sanders-used-campaign-donations-pay-family-members-2000-2004/

ETA: It was a hoot to watch the sudden conversion about right wing sources by Sanders supporters. Now that we've seen that, here is a source where his campaign admits it is true.

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050414/NEWS/504140364/1002/NEWS01

"Rep. Bernard Sanders' wife Jane was paid about $30,000 from 2002 to 2004 for work on his campaigns, while his stepdaughter Carina Driscoll got about $65,000 over a five-year period ending last year, a Sanders aide said Wednesday.

Jeff Weaver, chief of staff to the Vermont independent, provided those totals amid reports Tuesday that about four dozen members of Congress had hired family members to work on their campaigns or with political action committees."
 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
34. From BlueCaliDem from that thread
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:43 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251876329#post68

68. I'm just wondering how he was able to write his campaign a $1 million dollar check.

Being that he's the "poorest person in Congress", that's a huge feat. Where did that money come from?

Also, in 2006, Sanders wasn't as opposed to accepting PAC money. He accepted $10 grand from HillPAC to run for the Senate.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
37. Because he doesn't actually expect to win the nomination? And ...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 05:09 PM
Apr 2016

... why release them if he's not going to be the nominee anyway?

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
42. With their salaries, the Sanders should be millionaires
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:38 PM
Apr 2016

Unless they are giving most of it away to charity. Maybe that is the problem - what charities have they given to?

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