Hillary Clinton
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Notice the shitty comment about Obama:
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton leads the Democratic primary field by a wide margin in three early nominating states though any Democrat who captures the partys presidential title could be saddled with an albatross named Barack Obama.
New polls conducted by Morning Consult show Clinton leading her Democratic rivals by huge margins, more than 40 points, in Iowa and South Carolina, two states she lost when seeking the Democratic nomination in 2008.
Clinton takes 54 percent of the vote in Iowa, compared with just 12 percent for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and 9 percent for Vice President Joe Biden. In South Carolina, Clinton leads Biden by a 56 percent to 15 percent margin, with Sanders trailing at 10 percent.
--- The margin of error among all registered voters in each state is 3 percent. The margin of error for the Democratic samples in all three polls is plus or minus 6 percent.-
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Iowa:
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South Carolina:
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and the neighboring state to Vermont, New Hampshire:
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Still 12pts. ahead
http://morningconsult.com/2015/06/clinton-leads-in-early-states-but-sanders-popular-in-new-hampshire/
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Would be a toss up. I heard Bill Krystal this morning pushing for us to vote for Bernie, I wonder why. We still have to work and run the grass roots campaign, never sit back and think we have it wrapped up.
Skinner
(63,645 posts)She gave him a huge rhetorical bear hug at her kickoff event yesterday, and then did it over and over again. In my mind I kept comparing it to the way Al Gore distanced himself from Bill Clinton, which IMO turned out to be a huge blunder.
She knows that Barack Obama supporters are going to be crucial to her victory, both in the primaries and in the general election. She is going to keep giving Obama lots of love, and once we are in general election season (disclaimer: if she wins the primary) Obama is going to give her anything and everything she needs in order to win the general.
This isn't 1992. Hillary is trying to recreate the Obama coalition. She's not trying to recreate the Bill Clinton coalition.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)as I watched. I think I even shouted at the television: YES!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)sheshe2
(83,785 posts)I want Hillary and so does this President!
Thanks for all the great pictures. The double rainbow. Powerful.
Cha
(297,275 posts)June 1, 2015
Obama 89% Favorable, Hillary 86% Favorable, Sanders 47% Favorable (the base loves Obama & Hillary)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026764290
Cha
(297,275 posts)be happier!
still_one
(92,204 posts)question their agenda, and I have no doubt that Hillary leads in all the polls
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)How will she cope?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)And it was people running from the 'albatross' Barack Obama that was cited as a reason POC didn't turn out in 2012 / 2012.
HRC has endorsed him since 2008 with disagreements (she's NOT a robot) but embraced him to the crowd's cheers in NYC.
I HATE these biased kinds of polls that say things like that, they are just NASTY. It was hard to keep reading after that statement.
NH looks close. I don't see them as the bellwether they once were.
Despite the greatness of the Northeastern USA, a lot of the population moved south and west. Those areas are important electorally and the NE will lose its electoral college advantage as it has in Congress probably.
That is only a guess, not a slur, don't shoot me!
I can hardly wait for the real voting to start and see numbers that will indicate:
A): Who our candidate will be - by the primary voters.
B): Who wins the prom date with the Koch brothers.
C): Who is ahead in the general election.
Really, what else is there to say?
Looking at DU, minds are made up with no change of opinion. It's either gonna be:
#1: Democrats are useless and evil vs Democrats are good.
#2: I'm voting for HRC vs I'm voting for BS.
#3: If HRC gets the nomination, I'm not going to vote, period.
DU has been reduced to that and no issue will change minds.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)One thing that worries me greatly about 2016, regardless of the identity of our nominee, is the electorate's modern tendency to rotate the parties in the White House. The Depression gave the Democrats a period of dominance, winning five elections in a row, but since then neither party has won more than twice in a row except for Reagan-Reagan-Bush 41.
One reason Bush overcame the "let's give the other side a chance" mindset was that Reagan was very popular:
(from this story)
By next year, Obama won't have the bad end-of-term poll numbers that afflicted Nixon and Carter, but he probably won't be in Reagan's territory, either. The Democratic nominee will have to worry about being blamed for everything a voter doesn't like about the preceding eight years, whether or not it was actually Obama's fault.
Fortunately it cuts the other way, too -- but we do have to worry about the "time for a change" attitude.
Cha
(297,275 posts)the President campaigning with her and for our Democracy.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)That's why I wrote that a Democrat's incumbency cuts both ways.
I agree with your prediction that the nominee will want Obama on the campaign trail. Nevertheless, I'll add my prediction that the nominee will also try to appeal to the change-for-the-sake-of-change voters by distancing himself or herself from Obama to some extent.
In 1960, Richard Nixon was in the same situation -- the candidate from the incumbent President's party. JFK jokingly characterized Nixon's campaign as saying "Things are wonderful and if something isn't done soon they'll get even worse." The tension between those two themes will appear again in 2016.
Cha
(297,275 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Remember that, the last time a party won three in a row, its incumbent (Reagan) had a net favorable rating of more than 40 points.
Obama, in recent polling, has never been higher than plus 8, has been as low as minus 7, and is currently averaging plus 1.2 points (per the aggregation by Real Clear Politics) or plus 1.6 points (per the aggregation by HuffPo).
You appear to say that he'll "be an incredible asset" while denying that there will be any problem for the Democratic nominee arising from Obama's incumbency. Among DUers, that may be true. In the overall electorate, however, the Obama factor is more complicated.
Cha
(297,275 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)it would concern me greatly that he consistently hovers in the mid to low teens in polls that match him against other Democrats. It's becoming clear that those numbers represent his base, and he isn't breaking out of that bracket even though he's been on media constantly for the last month and should be getting a bump from his status as a shiny new presence.
He doesn't seem to get that he needs women, LGBT's and people of color far, far more than we need him.
William769
(55,147 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)From a consulting org that I can't recall having heard of before and it's still really early.