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Hillary leads in new PPP poll. HRC Room (Original Post) hrmjustin Jun 2015 OP
Good news, bad news HassleCat Jun 2015 #1
There is so obvious that the Democrats have it more together than the republicans this election still_one Jun 2015 #4
Would this be the definition of 'populist'? yallerdawg Jun 2015 #2
Yes! shenmue Jun 2015 #3
We could call this... yallerdawg Jun 2015 #5
Yup shenmue Jun 2015 #6
Slippery definitions HassleCat Jun 2015 #8
Slip over to "Populist Reform of the Democratic Party" yallerdawg Jun 2015 #13
It is. :) Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #17
Very telling part of the polling that has certain people twisting in the wind William769 Jun 2015 #7
Yes it shows that it bothers them. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #9
Over the next 8 months William769 Jun 2015 #10
I don't either. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #11
"The lack of racial diversity in New Hampshire is one reason Sanders is coming closer to her there Cha Jun 2015 #18
Is this for real? Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #19
Yes, it's for real, Jamaal.. Cha Jun 2015 #20
I found the link, Jamaal.. Cha Jun 2015 #21
Sigh~ sheshe2 Jun 2015 #22
It's fairly hidden away, she.. Cha Jun 2015 #23
I do not believe him to be a racist either. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #24
Now Bernie's supporters Cha Jun 2015 #25
Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sheshe2 Jun 2015 #26
The undefined, but rough calculus of such remarks means getting a marjority of the 'minority' votes freshwest Jun 2015 #27
K & R Iliyah Jun 2015 #12
snip OKNancy Jun 2015 #14
OhYEAH! n/t OhZone Jun 2015 #15
That poll shows exactly why Hillary okasha Jun 2015 #16
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. Good news, bad news
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 01:20 PM
Jun 2015

The news is, Clinton is capable of beating the socks off any Republican opponent. For those of us who are Sanders fans, that's bad news. For those of us who are Democrats, that's good news.

still_one

(92,404 posts)
4. There is so obvious that the Democrats have it more together than the republicans this election
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jun 2015

season, though I would say in general, this far out polls may not be particularly accurate at least among the independents, until we get more into the election season festivities


yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
2. Would this be the definition of 'populist'?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 01:20 PM
Jun 2015
Clinton continues to be dominant nationally with every segment of the Democratic electorate- she's over 60% with liberals, moderates, women, men, Hispanics, whites, and voters in every age group and she's polling at 83% with African Americans.
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
8. Slippery definitions
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jun 2015

"Populist" is probably the trickiest to define right now, even more so than "socialist" or "progressive." Traditionally, it implies a broad appeal that crosses party lines, ethnic boundaries, religious affiliations, etc. But some people would define it along the lines of, "...defending the interests of the people against the power of... (corporations, interest groups, etc.) To complicate things, fascist movements and other "bad actors" have used populist appeal to gain power. Right now, the Tea Party uses a populist appeal and populist rhetoric to promote its cause.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
13. Slip over to "Populist Reform of the Democratic Party"
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:14 PM
Jun 2015

They have a particular candidate identified as 'the populist.'

Are you still 'the populist' if you aren't very popular?

This is called 'gentle chiding.' Not serious at all!

William769

(55,148 posts)
7. Very telling part of the polling that has certain people twisting in the wind
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 01:36 PM
Jun 2015
Clinton continues to be dominant nationally with every segment of the Democratic electorate- she's over 60% with liberals, moderates, women, men, Hispanics, whites, and voters in every age group and she's polling at 83% with African Americans. The lack of racial diversity in New Hampshire is one reason Sanders is coming closer to her there given her dominance with black voters nationally.
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
9. Yes it shows that it bothers them.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jun 2015

Her popularity in the party cleary pisses some off and they need to gst over it.

Cha

(297,681 posts)
18. "The lack of racial diversity in New Hampshire is one reason Sanders is coming closer to her there
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:20 PM
Jun 2015
given her dominance with black voters nationally." This is reality..

Bernie's comments on the 2014 midterms..



".. this country has overcome racism.."?! You can't fix a problem you don't know is there.

"you should not be basing your politics based on color.."?! How insulting.

".. And, you have an Hispanic community looking to the Democrats for help.. but, that's not important".. uh huh.. tell that to Hispanic Community, Bernie.

African Americans and “the working-class people of this country” shouldn't be in separate categories….


Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
19. Is this for real?
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 01:03 AM
Jun 2015

I also saw it on The People's View. I can't believe BS would say something so ignorant and put his foot in his mouth. This country has overcome racism...how does he expect to win with these types of tone-deaf comments? This is supposed to be the same guy who a bunch of people from left-leaning forums love in contrast to HC and Pres. O, too. I guess this kind of answers one of my main question marks about him when it comes to why he doesn't comment about social (especially racial) issues often. I still like him overall, but I won't look at him the same again. He's sounding just like a large portion of DUers. Thanks for sharing.

Cha

(297,681 posts)
20. Yes, it's for real, Jamaal..
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 01:37 AM
Jun 2015

It is ignorant but of course it's not being discussed on DU.

I'm glad someone got to read it.

You're welcome.

sheshe2

(83,913 posts)
22. Sigh~
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:14 AM
Jun 2015

Sorry I missed this!!!

Thank this says all I need to know about the man. That and his stance on guns.

Thanks Cha.

Cha

(297,681 posts)
23. It's fairly hidden away, she..
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:23 AM
Jun 2015

Glad William posted it in GD.. it does need to have more light shining on it.

Not saying he's a racist.. just that.. that's some stupid talk right there.

So glad I'm backing Hillary Clinton.

sheshe2

(83,913 posts)
24. I do not believe him to be a racist either.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:29 AM
Jun 2015

I think he is completely unaware.

That is not what we need in a candidate, Cha.

Cha

(297,681 posts)
25. Now Bernie's supporters
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:43 AM
Jun 2015

are saying it "was taken out of context"!

The ol standby when they don't like what he said verbatim.. got the quote right from NPR.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
27. The undefined, but rough calculus of such remarks means getting a marjority of the 'minority' votes
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:16 PM
Jun 2015
is irrelevant, so long as you get a sufficient percentage of majority voters. In one way, this is correct. The disaffected, take my little red wagon and go home parts of the DP will not vote and so in effect are voting GOP. They are not shaping the country, just look at the states with all these regressive laws being passed and the rights of minorities repealed. Bernie can afford to be clueless.

The majority of voters decide the path the country will take. The majority are white working class and like the GOP, BS is going to appeal to that voting block. and the more entitled and better off white middle class, such as some unions are. They are threatening to not only not vote Democratic, but to vote GOP to give the Demorcratic Party a thrashing.

One that somehow they think all of us can afford, but hey, some people have no problem with pulling the ladder up behind themselves if they have theirs. I'm thoroughly disappointed with the tack some are taking now, having been a union member and shop stewart many years.

They now speak like the union people who became Reagan Democrats. I was up close with them, trying to talk them out of voting for Reagan, but they were sick of the Democratic Party celebrating the rights of women, gays and minorities. I'm getting the same vibe now.

But the Democratic Party does not cede its principles to those with more power. It holds to equality and treating all the same. BS really put his foot in his mouth with this interview. Which is from a source that favors its corporate sponsors more than the public. PBS recites dog whistles for those long time viewers who saw it as most democratic (with the small 'd') than 'commercial' networks.

The GOP starved them until they had to beg for money from the corporations. And 'the one who pays picks the songs that will be played,' as the old saying goes about fiddlers. I expect PBS to go further down the road and be anti-Democratic Party as that is the theme song of the GOP.

Socialists unfortunately have the record of looking down upon such as us. The Democratic Party and other organizations are in the writings of their history, as worthless to the Revolution as were escaped slaves and what they considered society's refuse in the class war. So there is an amount of cynicism and disdain just under the surface with some.

I guess the question we have to ask as Democrats, is what part of the electorate is composed tfo he minority groups most effected by racism, sexism and homophobia? Is our party's promotion of minorities what Bernie and his fans consider a losing strategy?

Because there have been many who have dissed Obama, yelled 'I'm not a racist!' 'We're all the same!' or 'Yeah - but,' while it seems to some uncomfortable living on Bernie's Animal Farm, that we are seen as fit for the slaughterhouse or glue factory and not much else.

And it hurts.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
14. snip
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie Sanders may be gaining momentum in recent New Hampshire polling but Hillary Clinton is more dominant than ever in the national polling. She's at 65% to 9% for Bernie Sanders, 5% for Martin O'Malley, and 4% each for Lincoln Chafee and Jim Webb. Sanders is the most common second choice of Democratic voters at 19% and O'Malley has broken away from Chafee and Webb to become the clear third choice of primary voters at 12%. Overall Clinton is the first or second choice of 73% of Democrats to 28% for Sanders, 17% for O'Malley, 8% for Chafee, and 7% for Webb.

Clinton continues to be dominant nationally with every segment of the Democratic electorate- she's over 60% with liberals, moderates, women, men, Hispanics, whites, and voters in every age group and she's polling at 83% with African Americans. The lack of racial diversity in New Hampshire is one reason Sanders is coming closer to her there given her dominance with black voters nationally.

Clinton leads the entire GOP field in hypothetical general election match ups but it's all by pretty modest margins- her advantages range from 3 to 7 points. The Republicans who fare best against Clinton are Ben Carson and Marco Rubio, each of whom trail by 3 points at 46/43. Rubio is the only candidate on either side of the aisle who has a positive favorability rating with the overall electorate- 37% of voters see him favorably to 36% with a negative opinion.

Clinton leads Jeb Bush and Chris Christie each by 4 at 45/41, Scott Walker by 4 as well at 46/42, has a 5 point advantage over Mike Huckabee at 47/42, is up 6 on Carly Fiorina and Ted Cruz at 46/40 and 48/42 respectively, and has a 7 point edge over Rand Paul at 47/40. Clinton's 3 to 7 point lead range is comparable to our April poll when she led by 3 to 9 points, but down from February when we found her leading the GOP hopefuls by 7 to 10 points.

Clinton continues to be a far superior general election candidate to any of the other Democratic hopefuls. Scott Walker would lead Martin O'Malley and Bernie Sanders each by 8 at 39/31 and 40/32 respectively, Jim Webb by 11 at 39/28, and Lincoln Chafee by 12 at 39/27.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
16. That poll shows exactly why Hillary
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:37 PM
Jun 2015

must be our candidate. Once the R's have a candidate, she'll grind him into subatomic particles. We CANNOT lose in 2016. It's frightening how much of the future rides on this election.

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