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Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:32 AM Apr 2016

There will not be a contested Democratic convention.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/04/11/1513611/-There-will-not-be-a-contested-democratic-convention

Sanders campaign says will contest nomination if Hillary doesn’t pass delegate threshold with pledged delegates alone. No SuperDs allowed.

Today, as he has been recently, Tad Devine suggested that if Bernie Sanders did not get a majority of pledged delegates he would go all the way to the convention to contest the nomination if Sec Clinton did not received the majority of total delegates needed for the nomination (including superdelegates) of 2383 completely from pledged delegates. Indeed a front page writer is positing tonight that

And I have a simple answer to this speculation fueled by the Sanders campaign: No. It will not happen.

On June 3, 2008 the night of the final primaries of 2008, Barack Obama claimed the democratic nomination in a speech in St Paul, when he stated correctly “I will be the Democratic nominee”. This year, if and when Hillary Clinton achieves a majority of pledged delegates, she too will have (and already has) enough superdelegates to get to the majority of overall delegates needed to claim the nomination. During a victory speech one night this calendar season, perhaps when California votes, Hillary Clinton will almost certainly have enough delegates to claim that she will be the Democratic nominee, as Barack Obama did eight years ago. The media, like they did for Obama eight years ago, will report that Clinton has clinched the nomination. The President, having been in the exact same situation eight years before, will say that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee.

Additionally, what would there be to contest? Hillary Clinton would have enough delegates to win the nomination outright at the convention. What is this genius plan behind contesting a nomination? To try and flip delegates who are supporting Hillary Clinton, either voluntarily (supers) or by binding (pledged)? Why would any superdelegate choose the loser of the pledged delegate race after having supported the winner? What on earth could Bernie Sanders possibly say to a Hillary Clinton superdelegate, after her having won the pledged delegate race, for that super to switch? Or is this all about protesting and making as much noise as possible?

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There will not be a contested Democratic convention. (Original Post) Iamaartist Apr 2016 OP
Sanders Strategy: Undemocratic Socialism Renew Deal Apr 2016 #1
Perhaps the impulse is a memory from his days of communal Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #20
Not just begging, but intimidating pandr32 Apr 2016 #22
Not to mention begging people for $27 contributions. George II Apr 2016 #31
No supers will ever switch to Sanders at the Convention leftofcool Apr 2016 #2
I agree Iamaartist Apr 2016 #3
Not only that, but more SDs BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #6
Yes! And, this is a quote straight from EC.. Cha Apr 2016 #10
Not only do I love Elijah but BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #13
Oh, you're in Maryland! Lucky you having him as your Cha Apr 2016 #15
Thanks for that great photo, Cha! BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #17
You're Welcome, Blue~ Cha Apr 2016 #18
Meanwhile, I'm stuck with spineless Van Hollen... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #37
How so "spineless" - BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #39
He was in a leadership position, and at times, I think he came across as too conciliatory to the Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #43
Thanks for your input! BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #49
No problem, my friend. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #56
WOW! How did I miss Elijah Cummings' endorsement? NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #35
It just happened at Hillary's event BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #36
I was sick that I couldn't go to Baltimore NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #42
Me to bye bye BS !! Iamaartist Apr 2016 #50
You got Van Hollen, too, huh? :( Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #38
Yeah NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #41
Sanders is just fundraising, nothing more. Rose Siding Apr 2016 #4
LOL true....... Iamaartist Apr 2016 #5
LOVED THAT SONG!!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #8
New word for Sadners: Integrifty CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #11
Brilliant wordplay HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #16
I love that! pandr32 Apr 2016 #23
Just like he did off of TPP Cha Apr 2016 #12
Even after that, HRC gained nearly 3 million more popular votes. She beats BS on nearly every metric Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #7
Good clear diary on kos.. thank you! A piece on reality while the BS team continues to Cha Apr 2016 #9
Thank-you very much Cha,,,,the end is near...of his fairy tales Iamaartist Apr 2016 #26
Yea, but I guess they want to give the Dems a big headache tho. Iliyah Apr 2016 #14
Now Bernie is saying a small loss in New York would be like a win... Walk away Apr 2016 #19
His opportunistic money-chase is something to see, Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #21
I'm not sure if anyone has posted this... pandr32 Apr 2016 #24
I Did a post on that.. somes it up........for sure Iamaartist Apr 2016 #28
Thanks! I had missed that one. pandr32 Apr 2016 #30
He's raising money and listening to his fanatics! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #40
Good questions! pandr32 Apr 2016 #44
I think he'll have to raise funds for six months after he drops out jmowreader Apr 2016 #46
He will have to pay all the funds back to the tea party lol Iamaartist Apr 2016 #48
Money (That's What I Want) LOL Iamaartist Apr 2016 #25
What will the epic ass-kicking he is about to receive be? jmowreader Apr 2016 #45
I agree. I don't even know on what grounds they would think of contesting. George II Apr 2016 #27
I agree nothing time for him to leave ...... Iamaartist Apr 2016 #29
A Super could change by deciding Hillary's un-electable in Nov. Jack Bone Apr 2016 #32
I feel there are a LOT of blue states from '08 that will flip if BS is our standard bearer jmowreader Apr 2016 #47
Or we could just run a "Socialist" who too terrified to show his tax returns! Walk away Apr 2016 #52
These guys are just looking for more pay checks. If there is not going to be any Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #33
Well said.... Iamaartist Apr 2016 #34
... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #51
I can see why he is staying in until the very end,in June, apcalc Apr 2016 #53
He's staying in because after NYS he will have to keep raising $$$. Walk away Apr 2016 #54
I've been saying that ever since this was said by the Sanders campaign.... George II Apr 2016 #55
Well said Iamaartist Apr 2016 #57

Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
1. Sanders Strategy: Undemocratic Socialism
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:34 AM
Apr 2016

That's where Sanders loses the popular vote and the delegate count, but begs for the delegates to pick him anyway.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
20. Perhaps the impulse is a memory from his days of communal
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:43 AM
Apr 2016

life on the kibbutz.

Socialism was the reigning philosophy in the early Israeli communes--all for one, and one for all.

Individually earned and retained property was not encouraged. All was placed in the communal pot, as it were.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
22. Not just begging, but intimidating
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

There is a Sanders campaign site of targeted super-delegates for Sanders' supporters to harass.

George II

(67,782 posts)
31. Not to mention begging people for $27 contributions.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

He's already more than 2.5M votes behind, 200+ delegates behind, AND to use their "will of the people" claim, Clinton has won states with a combined population of 220 million people, Sanders a mere 53 million. THAT is the "will of the people"!

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
2. No supers will ever switch to Sanders at the Convention
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:36 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary will meet the threshold of pledged delegates and will not likely need the supers anyway.

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
6. Not only that, but more SDs
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:46 AM
Apr 2016

who have been on the fence will endorse Hillary between now and then.

Prime example: MD's Elijah Cummings who endorsed Hillary yesterday.

The latest antics of the Sanders campaign, plus the OTT cyberbullying, have all contributed to those outcomes.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
10. Yes! And, this is a quote straight from EC..
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:51 AM
Apr 2016
“When it comes to talking about somebody not being qualified, I think that that’s going too far.”

Yep, BS went too far.

It was Cummings who asked the CIA to declassify the partially redacted government documents which the republicans were being used against Clinton, only to learn that none of it had been classified to begin with. That forced Gowdy to admit that he himself had blacked out portions of the documents arbitrarily and allowed everyone to falsely believe that information was classified. But Cummings saved perhaps his best moment for last.

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/elijah-cummings-emerges-as-new-democratic-party-hero/22890/

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
13. Not only do I love Elijah but
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:58 AM
Apr 2016

I love even more that he is my Rep.

Thanks for this great find, Cha!

Cha

(297,323 posts)
15. Oh, you're in Maryland! Lucky you having him as your
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:04 AM
Apr 2016

Rep, Blue!

I had a great Rep for awhile.. Mazie Hirono who is now Senator. Then we got Tulsi who I thought was going to be good until she turned to be a big fat fail.

Here's the back of his head..



A Picture Worth a Thousand Words..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=22680

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
17. Thanks for that great photo, Cha!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:09 AM
Apr 2016

Yes, MD is my voting residence and I am in Elijah's district.

My condolences about Tulsi. What a disappointment she has turned out to be - even before she endorsed Bernie.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
18. You're Welcome, Blue~
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:19 AM
Apr 2016

And, yes when she started disingenuously bashing President Obama.. she and I were through..

And, then she endorses BS. BS can't even answer questions on what his plan is to break up the banks or anything else in that interview with NYDN to get their endorsement.. not even in President Obama's and Hillary's league.

Thank you~

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
37. Meanwhile, I'm stuck with spineless Van Hollen...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:26 PM
Apr 2016

...and sadly may be stuck with Kathleen Matthews. Yuck!

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
43. He was in a leadership position, and at times, I think he came across as too conciliatory to the
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:08 PM
Apr 2016

Republicans. He didn't hit back hard enough when it came to obstruction. Certainly not like Cummings did.

He's been an o.k. congressman, but his running neck and neck against Donna Edwards for the Senate is testament that not everyone has been pleased with him. He should be beating her handily but he isn't. She's making him work for it and rightly so.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
35. WOW! How did I miss Elijah Cummings' endorsement?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:07 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:43 PM - Edit history (1)

That is WONDERFUL news! He's not my rep, Chris Van Hollen is, but I love Elijah!

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
36. It just happened at Hillary's event
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:00 PM
Apr 2016

in Baltimore yesterday! We have an outstanding MD Dem delegation, IMO.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
42. I was sick that I couldn't go to Baltimore
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:46 PM
Apr 2016

But sometimes life happens. And yes, we're good to go in MD. Can't wait for the primary!

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
11. New word for Sadners: Integrifty
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:52 AM
Apr 2016

Integrifty- the quality of appearing to be honest and straightfoward as a method to swindle gullible donors out of additional monies.

"Bernie Sadners is known to be a man of integrifty, and his supporters pay the price, literally."

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
7. Even after that, HRC gained nearly 3 million more popular votes. She beats BS on nearly every metric
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:47 AM
Apr 2016

The caucuses/primaries he won in do not have huge populations of voters. So the argument that he has a winning streak among winning states is invalid. He's winning states with small populations, non-diverse populations, and pretty non-democratic fashion too (caucuses are not democratic).

In 2008, HRC was must closer to Obama in delegate totals. She was also close to him in the popular vote. She had much more of a reason to contest the election or go all the way to the end. She had every right no matter how upset I and other Obama supporters were.

Bernie Sanders is being a straight up pompous, arrogant asshole.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
9. Good clear diary on kos.. thank you! A piece on reality while the BS team continues to
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:48 AM
Apr 2016

float fantasy.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
19. Now Bernie is saying a small loss in New York would be like a win...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:34 AM
Apr 2016

When you are 210 delegates behind, a 50/50 split isn't even a win. You have to win 56% of the delegates and even then you are losing!

This guy will say anything for $$$$$$$!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
21. His opportunistic money-chase is something to see,
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016

especially for the "most exemplary and ethical Senator in history." (c)

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
40. He's raising money and listening to his fanatics!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:30 PM
Apr 2016

Is he raising for Democrats? When he loses and drops out, where will that $$$ go?

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
46. I think he'll have to raise funds for six months after he drops out
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:07 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie is spending money as fast as he grifts it, and he's not grifting fast enough to deal with New York next Tuesday, Sorta-Super Tuesday the week after that, or the cross-country June 7 primary day that sees major action on both coasts. He is going to have to run up extreme debt to even be close to competitive ESPECIALLY in California. Plus, his troll bill must be getting outrageous.

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
25. Money (That's What I Want) LOL
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:09 AM
Apr 2016

Money (That's What I Want)
By The Beatles

The best things in life are free
But you can keep them for the birds and bees
Now give me money
That's what I want
That's what I want, yeah
That's what I want

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
29. I agree nothing time for him to leave ......
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:25 AM
Apr 2016

He is using tax payer money for secret service,and what ever else...

Jack Bone

(2,023 posts)
32. A Super could change by deciding Hillary's un-electable in Nov.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

Like it, or not...Hillary's long resume is a double-edged sword. I feel that there are a few blue states from '08 that would revert back to red again if she's our standard bearer.

here's a link to an article of a recent poll showing her negative #'s


http://www.pottsmerc.com/article/MP/20160408/NEWS/160409734

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
47. I feel there are a LOT of blue states from '08 that will flip if BS is our standard bearer
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:12 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders is the GOP's dream candidate: the Democrat who really is as bad as Republicans always said we were. If we run Bernie, we lose 49 states. Simple as that. They don't even have to pull out Bernie's single-page resume; just the fact he's going to raise taxes by percentages never seen before to fund his grand experiment is enough to throw the election to anyone the Republicans care to run.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
52. Or we could just run a "Socialist" who too terrified to show his tax returns!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:13 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie would last a week out there on his own. The GOP would shred him like aged Vermont Cheddar. Plus he doesn't know what he's talking about. That NY Daily News interview made him look like a total amateur to everyone but his Faithful Followers.

Hillary's negative are her strong points. It's going to be a tough time getting to November. Hillary is great at fighting these battles. They just make her look better in the end. Bernie can't even handle soft ball questions from local TV pundits.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
33. These guys are just looking for more pay checks. If there is not going to be any
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:04 AM
Apr 2016

WE'd then the number of required delegates goes down. If Sanders gets close to the GOP required delegate count he will probably say he has met the requirements and declare himself a winner.

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
34. Well said....
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:52 AM
Apr 2016

Well we can hope it ends after New York but with him not so sure.....what point is he trying to make he's not going to win,,,,,

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
51. ...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:03 PM
Apr 2016
Why would any superdelegate (the most partisan of Party operative) choose the loser of the pledged delegate race after having supported the winner? What on earth could Bernie Sanders possibly say to a Hillary Clinton superdelegate, after her having won the pledged delegate race, for that super to switch (the/a candidate that spent most of his career denigrating, criticizing the Party, that the superdelegates worked long and hard to build)?

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
53. I can see why he is staying in until the very end,in June,
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:13 PM
Apr 2016

that is, not dropping out, not suspending the campaign. It seems fair and reasonable to allow all his supporters everywhere to vote for him.
As for contesting the convention....on what basis? He probably won't have more pledged delegates, he probably won't have more popular votes, and he won't have the most superdelegates supporting him.
At this time his campaign says supers will come over to him because polls show he beats Republicans by wider margins than Hillary does. My thinking is that when exposed to the Republican spinmeisters, he'll get crushed in the general. I expect many supers feel that way too.
There is no reasonable basis I can see on which to contest.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
54. He's staying in because after NYS he will have to keep raising $$$.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:16 PM
Apr 2016

Otherwise he will go home to Vermont without bus fare.

George II

(67,782 posts)
55. I've been saying that ever since this was said by the Sanders campaign....
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:18 PM
Apr 2016

....they're speaking out of both sides of their mouths (or both ends of their torsos)

They said the superdelegates should vote with the will of the people. So if Clinton gets more pledged delegate than Sanders, then "the will of the people" would be that Clinton get more superdelegates than Sanders.

What's the thinking about a "contested" convention?

I tried to explain it logically here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1707606

If Clinton has "more" (I'll stay away from using majority, even though Jeff did this morning) pledged delegates than Sanders, then it would be obvious that she'll wind up with more superdelegates than Sanders.

This isn't even math, it's simple deductive reasoning and logic:

If A is greater than B, and C is divided in proportion to the size of A and B, then A + >50% of C will STILL be greater than B + <50% of C.

I think Jeff should go back to selling comic books, it's a lot simpler than running a slipshod presidential campaign and Tad should rethink the way he helped set up the Democratic Party supedelegate scheme years ago.

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