Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumThere will not be a contested Democratic convention.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/04/11/1513611/-There-will-not-be-a-contested-democratic-conventionSanders campaign says will contest nomination if Hillary doesnt pass delegate threshold with pledged delegates alone. No SuperDs allowed.
Today, as he has been recently, Tad Devine suggested that if Bernie Sanders did not get a majority of pledged delegates he would go all the way to the convention to contest the nomination if Sec Clinton did not received the majority of total delegates needed for the nomination (including superdelegates) of 2383 completely from pledged delegates. Indeed a front page writer is positing tonight that
And I have a simple answer to this speculation fueled by the Sanders campaign: No. It will not happen.
On June 3, 2008 the night of the final primaries of 2008, Barack Obama claimed the democratic nomination in a speech in St Paul, when he stated correctly I will be the Democratic nominee. This year, if and when Hillary Clinton achieves a majority of pledged delegates, she too will have (and already has) enough superdelegates to get to the majority of overall delegates needed to claim the nomination. During a victory speech one night this calendar season, perhaps when California votes, Hillary Clinton will almost certainly have enough delegates to claim that she will be the Democratic nominee, as Barack Obama did eight years ago. The media, like they did for Obama eight years ago, will report that Clinton has clinched the nomination. The President, having been in the exact same situation eight years before, will say that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee.
Additionally, what would there be to contest? Hillary Clinton would have enough delegates to win the nomination outright at the convention. What is this genius plan behind contesting a nomination? To try and flip delegates who are supporting Hillary Clinton, either voluntarily (supers) or by binding (pledged)? Why would any superdelegate choose the loser of the pledged delegate race after having supported the winner? What on earth could Bernie Sanders possibly say to a Hillary Clinton superdelegate, after her having won the pledged delegate race, for that super to switch? Or is this all about protesting and making as much noise as possible?
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)That's where Sanders loses the popular vote and the delegate count, but begs for the delegates to pick him anyway.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)life on the kibbutz.
Socialism was the reigning philosophy in the early Israeli communes--all for one, and one for all.
Individually earned and retained property was not encouraged. All was placed in the communal pot, as it were.
pandr32
(11,588 posts)There is a Sanders campaign site of targeted super-delegates for Sanders' supporters to harass.
George II
(67,782 posts)He's already more than 2.5M votes behind, 200+ delegates behind, AND to use their "will of the people" claim, Clinton has won states with a combined population of 220 million people, Sanders a mere 53 million. THAT is the "will of the people"!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Hillary will meet the threshold of pledged delegates and will not likely need the supers anyway.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)who have been on the fence will endorse Hillary between now and then.
Prime example: MD's Elijah Cummings who endorsed Hillary yesterday.
The latest antics of the Sanders campaign, plus the OTT cyberbullying, have all contributed to those outcomes.
Cha
(297,323 posts)Yep, BS went too far.
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/elijah-cummings-emerges-as-new-democratic-party-hero/22890/
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)I love even more that he is my Rep.
Thanks for this great find, Cha!
Cha
(297,323 posts)Rep, Blue!
I had a great Rep for awhile.. Mazie Hirono who is now Senator. Then we got Tulsi who I thought was going to be good until she turned to be a big fat fail.
Here's the back of his head..
A Picture Worth a Thousand Words..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=22680
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)Yes, MD is my voting residence and I am in Elijah's district.
My condolences about Tulsi. What a disappointment she has turned out to be - even before she endorsed Bernie.
Cha
(297,323 posts)And, yes when she started disingenuously bashing President Obama.. she and I were through..
And, then she endorses BS. BS can't even answer questions on what his plan is to break up the banks or anything else in that interview with NYDN to get their endorsement.. not even in President Obama's and Hillary's league.
Thank you~
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)...and sadly may be stuck with Kathleen Matthews. Yuck!
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)I am really curious to hear. This is not a snark.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Republicans. He didn't hit back hard enough when it came to obstruction. Certainly not like Cummings did.
He's been an o.k. congressman, but his running neck and neck against Donna Edwards for the Senate is testament that not everyone has been pleased with him. He should be beating her handily but he isn't. She's making him work for it and rightly so.
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:43 PM - Edit history (1)
That is WONDERFUL news! He's not my rep, Chris Van Hollen is, but I love Elijah!
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)in Baltimore yesterday! We have an outstanding MD Dem delegation, IMO.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)But sometimes life happens. And yes, we're good to go in MD. Can't wait for the primary!
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)He's been pretty good. I don't agree with him on everything, but overall I like him.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)Integrifty- the quality of appearing to be honest and straightfoward as a method to swindle gullible donors out of additional monies.
"Bernie Sadners is known to be a man of integrifty, and his supporters pay the price, literally."
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)Tip O'The Hat to you ~.
pandr32
(11,588 posts)Ha-ha! Works!!!
Cha
(297,323 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)The caucuses/primaries he won in do not have huge populations of voters. So the argument that he has a winning streak among winning states is invalid. He's winning states with small populations, non-diverse populations, and pretty non-democratic fashion too (caucuses are not democratic).
In 2008, HRC was must closer to Obama in delegate totals. She was also close to him in the popular vote. She had much more of a reason to contest the election or go all the way to the end. She had every right no matter how upset I and other Obama supporters were.
Bernie Sanders is being a straight up pompous, arrogant asshole.
Cha
(297,323 posts)float fantasy.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)When you are 210 delegates behind, a 50/50 split isn't even a win. You have to win 56% of the delegates and even then you are losing!
This guy will say anything for $$$$$$$!
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)especially for the "most exemplary and ethical Senator in history." (c)
pandr32
(11,588 posts)Sanders already lost the race on March 15th. He is playing us all and the media is helping: http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/there-can-be-no-peace-among-liberals-until-bernie-sanders-is-out-of-the-race/24426/
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)pandr32
(11,588 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Is he raising for Democrats? When he loses and drops out, where will that $$$ go?
pandr32
(11,588 posts)jmowreader
(50,560 posts)Bernie is spending money as fast as he grifts it, and he's not grifting fast enough to deal with New York next Tuesday, Sorta-Super Tuesday the week after that, or the cross-country June 7 primary day that sees major action on both coasts. He is going to have to run up extreme debt to even be close to competitive ESPECIALLY in California. Plus, his troll bill must be getting outrageous.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Money (That's What I Want)
By The Beatles
The best things in life are free
But you can keep them for the birds and bees
Now give me money
That's what I want
That's what I want, yeah
That's what I want
jmowreader
(50,560 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)He is using tax payer money for secret service,and what ever else...
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)Like it, or not...Hillary's long resume is a double-edged sword. I feel that there are a few blue states from '08 that would revert back to red again if she's our standard bearer.
here's a link to an article of a recent poll showing her negative #'s
http://www.pottsmerc.com/article/MP/20160408/NEWS/160409734
jmowreader
(50,560 posts)Bernie Sanders is the GOP's dream candidate: the Democrat who really is as bad as Republicans always said we were. If we run Bernie, we lose 49 states. Simple as that. They don't even have to pull out Bernie's single-page resume; just the fact he's going to raise taxes by percentages never seen before to fund his grand experiment is enough to throw the election to anyone the Republicans care to run.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Bernie would last a week out there on his own. The GOP would shred him like aged Vermont Cheddar. Plus he doesn't know what he's talking about. That NY Daily News interview made him look like a total amateur to everyone but his Faithful Followers.
Hillary's negative are her strong points. It's going to be a tough time getting to November. Hillary is great at fighting these battles. They just make her look better in the end. Bernie can't even handle soft ball questions from local TV pundits.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)WE'd then the number of required delegates goes down. If Sanders gets close to the GOP required delegate count he will probably say he has met the requirements and declare himself a winner.
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)Well we can hope it ends after New York but with him not so sure.....what point is he trying to make he's not going to win,,,,,
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)that is, not dropping out, not suspending the campaign. It seems fair and reasonable to allow all his supporters everywhere to vote for him.
As for contesting the convention....on what basis? He probably won't have more pledged delegates, he probably won't have more popular votes, and he won't have the most superdelegates supporting him.
At this time his campaign says supers will come over to him because polls show he beats Republicans by wider margins than Hillary does. My thinking is that when exposed to the Republican spinmeisters, he'll get crushed in the general. I expect many supers feel that way too.
There is no reasonable basis I can see on which to contest.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Otherwise he will go home to Vermont without bus fare.
George II
(67,782 posts)....they're speaking out of both sides of their mouths (or both ends of their torsos)
They said the superdelegates should vote with the will of the people. So if Clinton gets more pledged delegate than Sanders, then "the will of the people" would be that Clinton get more superdelegates than Sanders.
What's the thinking about a "contested" convention?
I tried to explain it logically here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1707606
If Clinton has "more" (I'll stay away from using majority, even though Jeff did this morning) pledged delegates than Sanders, then it would be obvious that she'll wind up with more superdelegates than Sanders.
This isn't even math, it's simple deductive reasoning and logic:
If A is greater than B, and C is divided in proportion to the size of A and B, then A + >50% of C will STILL be greater than B + <50% of C.
I think Jeff should go back to selling comic books, it's a lot simpler than running a slipshod presidential campaign and Tad should rethink the way he helped set up the Democratic Party supedelegate scheme years ago.