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LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:17 AM Apr 2016

There are reasons why Wyoming ended in a tie for delegates.

Wyoming only had 8 delegates at the district level. Any even number of delegates 8 or lower would had been a tie based on the caucus results from Saturday. If the number of delegates had been odd Sanders would had received more. If Wyoming had over 8 district delegates Sanders would had received more delegates than Clinton.

But because Wyoming's votes for Democratic Presidents is the lowest of all states. 33% lower than next lowest Alaska. They would have the fewest number of delegates.

Sanders also only won Wyoming by 55%. If he had won Wyoming with just over 58% he would had a delegate advantage over Clinton.

Just as the other states the calculation to determine split of delegates is not done on the total pledged delegates. Each congressional district, the at-large, and the PLEO delegates are calculated separately.

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There are reasons why Wyoming ended in a tie for delegates. (Original Post) LiberalFighter Apr 2016 OP
That can't be true! Treant Apr 2016 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author jg10003 Apr 2016 #2
"Only 55%": can we all agree that when... jg10003 Apr 2016 #3
Go away. Next time, maybe read the parties rules BEFORE joining the party. LannyDeVaney Apr 2016 #4
No. He signed up, he has to follow the Treant Apr 2016 #5
No. In fact the only two things I can think that are wrong with the system are stopbush Apr 2016 #6
Our system is very flawed. William769 Apr 2016 #7
One of the major reforms we need in the DEMOCRATIC Party is allowing only DEMOCRATS to run.... George II Apr 2016 #8
No! No! and No! LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #9

Treant

(1,968 posts)
1. That can't be true!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:25 AM
Apr 2016

I've been strongly advised that it's The Man keepin' Bernie down, and that there were widespread electoral shennanigans when you look at the exit polls*.

* I'm sure reminders that exit polls suck even worse than primary polling would fall on deaf ears. The MoE of those polls is unbelievably high.

Response to Treant (Reply #1)

jg10003

(976 posts)
3. "Only 55%": can we all agree that when...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:12 PM
Apr 2016

A candidate wins by 10% he/she should win a majority of delegates. Can we also agree that the system is seriously flawed and needs major reforms.

Treant

(1,968 posts)
5. No. He signed up, he has to follow the
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:18 PM
Apr 2016

rules...which have been available for ages. I guess he should've tried a little harder to earn that extra delegate.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
6. No. In fact the only two things I can think that are wrong with the system are
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016

1. not having all primaries be closed, and

2. allowing DINOSs like Bernie Sanders to run as a Dem. There should be a rule that you must have a minimum of 5 consecutive years leading up to the election announcement year as a member of the Democratic Party to be allowed to run as a D in a D presidential primary. That would mean that you would have needed to be a D from at least 2010-2015 to announce in 2015.

William769

(55,147 posts)
7. Our system is very flawed.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:33 PM
Apr 2016

When it let's a fucking Independent run in the Democratic primary.

Yes we need a major reform!

George II

(67,782 posts)
8. One of the major reforms we need in the DEMOCRATIC Party is allowing only DEMOCRATS to run....
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:01 PM
Apr 2016

....in DEMOCRATIC primaries and caucuses. That would be a huge improvement.

Look for that to be discussed in future years.

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
9. No! No! and No!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:02 PM
Apr 2016

The scenario that occurred with Wyoming could only happen with Wyoming because of the delegates allocated for them based on their general election votes. Every state with one congressional district except for Wyoming has more than 8 delegates. There are 7 states and DC that have only one congressional district. The election result that occurred in Wyoming would not had resulted in a tie in the other states with just one congressional district. Keep in mind that the rules are the same in each state when doing the calculation.

Because Wyoming is a red state meaning that the average votes for Kerry in 2004, Obama in 2008 and 2012 were the lowest of all states and resulted in them receiving only 14 total delegates.
Wyoming had a combined total of 222,930 votes compared to Alaska with 357,259 for the 3 elections.

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