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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:21 PM Apr 2016

OMG--Bernie Sanders's tax preparer being interviewed--dog ate the tax returns

Jane Sanders is being grilled, says she can't find the previous 8 years of tax returns. Must be at home somewhere.

Will provide link when can find one, just seeing this via Twitter.

Seems legit. LOL.

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OMG--Bernie Sanders's tax preparer being interviewed--dog ate the tax returns (Original Post) geek tragedy Apr 2016 OP
Well it doesn't appear they feel any pressure at all to release them. KewlKat Apr 2016 #1
The problem is that she said, in one of the appearnces, that they would release when they are due question everything Apr 2016 #79
They can request a copy from the IRS. If they used on-line software, they can also get copies. Hoyt Apr 2016 #2
my guess is that if the polls are correct for NY/PA/MD that geek tragedy Apr 2016 #3
Ding-ding, we have a winner. IamMab Apr 2016 #20
Yep... wysi Apr 2016 #27
She'll be too busy to go home and try to "find them" DesertRat Apr 2016 #29
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #72
We've got the last 6 years up in the attic in labeled boxes. That their household KittyWampus Apr 2016 #4
+1! BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #14
Same here! nt DesertRat Apr 2016 #18
we have ours saved as PDFs. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #24
That is even better. Same here! LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #49
I have print (paper) copies iand PDF's (on an external hard drive). Print copies go back to 2003 and BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #74
Oh dear Lord. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #5
wth sarae Apr 2016 #6
CNN video ~ How transparent is Bernie Sanders on his tax returns Her Sister Apr 2016 #7
Dear Lord, that was a smooth takedown. BS lied to Jake Tapper. It's never good to lie to an.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #21
Rachel Maddow Show might be interesting tonite! Her Sister Apr 2016 #26
He won't commit to them unless they commit to him? Is that what we're dealing with? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #53
Perfect. Thank you question everything Apr 2016 #54
"You're perfectly entitled to your own opinions, you're not entitled to your own facts" shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #60
Also sarae Apr 2016 #8
I like a lot of what he says but I have serious reservations about him. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #50
I never liked him.. in fact I didn't like him.. I am way ahead of the curve on bernie sanders. Cha Apr 2016 #66
Smart! sarae Apr 2016 #67
He's exponentially worse than I imagined.. but his wanting to have President Obama primaried Cha Apr 2016 #70
How can any US SENATOR not have copies of their tax returns? stopbush Apr 2016 #9
One who's married to a college president, no less. LisaM Apr 2016 #35
FORMER college president! jmowreader Apr 2016 #58
True! LisaM Apr 2016 #63
I'm watching her on MSNBC right now DesertRat Apr 2016 #10
TurboTax? She can call Turbotax and get PDFS. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #11
it sure sounded that way to me DesertRat Apr 2016 #16
Halpern said "they aren't on file anywhere?" DesertRat Apr 2016 #17
not ready for prime time nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #19
From the TurboTax website: kstewart33 Apr 2016 #25
Can you imagine if Hillary did this!? shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #33
Heads would explode... HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #57
So true... sarae Apr 2016 #68
Staff could have easily been put on this. Quayblue Apr 2016 #47
it really does seem like they're hiding something nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #48
Haha, I really would like to see what it is. kjones Apr 2016 #71
interesting enid602 Apr 2016 #76
Honestly,probably just that they have a shit ton of assets and that doesn't mesh with Bernie's image kjones Apr 2016 #80
Events!!!! lol! Her Sister Apr 2016 #12
Apparently Jane "misspoke" BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #15
"El Cheapo"! Looking at those charitable donations, is the Vatican sure this is the guy they want... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #23
Well, he told the United Way that he doesn't believe in charity, so I'm not surprised. Tanuki Apr 2016 #77
Oh, I'm laughing so hard at this. LisaM Apr 2016 #41
Link to the 1996 article LisaM Apr 2016 #43
VERY uncomfortable body language, evasive eye movements and nervous laugh. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #22
As soon as the interview video is available, I will post it DesertRat Apr 2016 #30
Thank you! NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #42
Here it is DesertRat Apr 2016 #51
I use Turbo Tax Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #32
Jane Sanders isn't even a GOOD liar DesertRat Apr 2016 #40
She can call them and get copies. 800-829-1040 DawgHouse Apr 2016 #34
He lied about it and now she has lied too. Rose Siding Apr 2016 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author KittyWampus Apr 2016 #64
Wow - we always keep hard copies of our tax returns for awhile! BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #13
Yep, you're supposed to keep AT LEAST DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #78
There here somewhere liberal N proud Apr 2016 #28
What a crock. DawgHouse Apr 2016 #31
Sanders wants to preside over a multi-trillion dollar economy, and he can't find his tax returns. Koinos Apr 2016 #36
Wait until the IRS hears that - they require that a certain number of years be retained... George II Apr 2016 #37
I can give you hard copies for the past ten years including 2015.... Walk away Apr 2016 #38
This is just going from bad to worse. brer cat Apr 2016 #39
This is either incompetence NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #44
Isn't she the president of some college? That poor, poor school, to be run by such a disorganized anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #45
she was president of a college, and she almost ran into the ground. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #46
Here's the video DesertRat Apr 2016 #52
In her defense she may not know DURHAM D Apr 2016 #56
They've been campaigning for a year now (announced March 31 last year), they have to... George II Apr 2016 #61
Wtf does it matter when they are due??? What about PAST years jsmirman Apr 2016 #75
He is not serious about running for president. He probably wants Hilary to say in the Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #59
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #73
Hmm, $46, 213 in SS income. I find that interesting. eom fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #62
Blah blah blah... all the crap BS is DEMANDING from Hillary and his wife can't find the taxes.. BS Cha Apr 2016 #65
They look like complete fools over their taxes. Walk away Apr 2016 #69

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
1. Well it doesn't appear they feel any pressure at all to release them.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:24 PM
Apr 2016

Either he doesn't want us to see what's there or he figures he's not going to win anyway so why put all the information out there forever? I don't believe they have to show them to the public, but I thought he was all for transparency?

Just seems very odd that they would show that 1040 with all those dollars deducted without an explanation, i.e., the itemized form.

question everything

(47,487 posts)
79. The problem is that she said, in one of the appearnces, that they would release when they are due
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:12 PM
Apr 2016

Meaning, she was talking about the 2015 return where they would be extra careful

We will never the the details of the $53,000 itemized deductions of 2014, unless the IRS would audit them. And even then, we will never know the outcome.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. They can request a copy from the IRS. If they used on-line software, they can also get copies.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:27 PM
Apr 2016

I like Mrs. Sanders, but I hope she really doesn't think people are as gullible as her husband does.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
4. We've got the last 6 years up in the attic in labeled boxes. That their household
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:29 PM
Apr 2016

is that disorganized looks poorly on both of them.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
74. I have print (paper) copies iand PDF's (on an external hard drive). Print copies go back to 2003 and
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:08 AM
Apr 2016

are safe in a filing cabinet. PDFs are only for the past seven years on my external hard drive. You'd think that elected officials would have copies of their tax filings ever since they filed!

Jane is LYING.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
6. wth
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:31 PM
Apr 2016

It's really pissing me off that Mr. Transparency keeps yelling about Hillary's transcripts when he STILL hasn't released his tax returns! At the very least, he needs to quit with that whole thing until he releases them. He's such a hypocrite.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
21. Dear Lord, that was a smooth takedown. BS lied to Jake Tapper. It's never good to lie to an....
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:03 PM
Apr 2016

objective journalist who has access to video & a research team. Do you know if Rachel has covered this at all? She'd be all over this if it were anybody else. Seems that Hillary & Jeb Bush have been the most transparent, and the two "insurgents" have been the least. Just one more way that BS resemblesTrump.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
26. Rachel Maddow Show might be interesting tonite!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:22 PM
Apr 2016

Haven't seen her cover on the BS' taxes. She seems to be more bothered by BS not helping other Dems with all those million of dollars in contributions from donors.

question everything

(47,487 posts)
54. Perfect. Thank you
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:48 PM
Apr 2016

wish Tapper asked him about that $53k itemized deductions as a part of his "regular return."

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
60. "You're perfectly entitled to your own opinions, you're not entitled to your own facts"
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:40 PM
Apr 2016

Great video! I'm glad to see Sanders be called out on that.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
8. Also
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:32 PM
Apr 2016

...I'm amazed that I used to like this guy. Every day I like him less and less. I'll vote for him if he's the nominee, but he's making it hard.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
66. I never liked him.. in fact I didn't like him.. I am way ahead of the curve on bernie sanders.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

Cha

(297,323 posts)
70. He's exponentially worse than I imagined.. but his wanting to have President Obama primaried
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:39 PM
Apr 2016

in 2012 was stupid, imo.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
9. How can any US SENATOR not have copies of their tax returns?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:36 PM
Apr 2016

It boggles the mind.

Has this never come up in any of Sanders' Senate runs? It seems so standard - you run for office, you are ready to disclose your finances.

Unbelievable.

And we of the unwashed masses are expected to keep such records in case we get audited.

LisaM

(27,815 posts)
35. One who's married to a college president, no less.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:50 PM
Apr 2016

You'd think at that job and income level, they'd be happy to give gainful employment to an accountant.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
10. I'm watching her on MSNBC right now
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:36 PM
Apr 2016

Halpern called her the family CPA, to which she replied, "well no it's Turbo Tax". When he asked when will she release them and she said she'll need to find time to go home to find them. She's just been TOO BUSY. But she assured him that there's nothing much in their returns and that they "are pretty boring." When he asked if they are simple returns, she said "Yes, simple returns".

He also said that the Clinton's have released 8 years worth of taxes and she said "well they've been in office all these years" to which Halpern said, Bernie's been in the House and Senate. She replied, "well every election we've released them". "I'll release this year's as soon as they're due. But can I have time to GO HOME first?!"

IMO, she seemed flustered and defensive.

edited:
She also said she's going to Italy with Bernie for a quick trip to the Vatican, they will leave after the debate and "come right back" on Saturday morning. "We have events there." And she said when you get an invitation to speak at the Vatican, "you don't turn that down."

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. TurboTax? She can call Turbotax and get PDFS.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:37 PM
Apr 2016

I thought it was just inattentiveness at first.

They're hiding something.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
16. it sure sounded that way to me
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:47 PM
Apr 2016

You'll have to watch the video when it comes out. Imo, she looked flustered and her face flushed when she was talking about it.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
17. Halpern said "they aren't on file anywhere?"
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:53 PM
Apr 2016

She said, "Yes, they're on file. But we haven't been home for month!"

He said, so you'll release...how many years? Jane:"I don't know, how many do you want, Mark?"

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
25. From the TurboTax website:
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:18 PM
Apr 2016

"You can request prior tax returns, for a fee, from the IRS. If you file with TurboTax, those returns are free in TurboTax Deluxe, Premier and Home & Business."

sarae

(3,284 posts)
68. So true...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:28 PM
Apr 2016

Like pretty much everything Bernie gets away with. Meanwhile, they hold Hillary's feet to the fire on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE. I'm so, so sick of the double standard.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
71. Haha, I really would like to see what it is.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:30 AM
Apr 2016

But since he's losing, I'm guessing we will never get to see.

enid602

(8,620 posts)
76. interesting
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:23 AM
Apr 2016

It could be (a) they can't properly explain their relatively large (per the 1040 for 2014) Schedule A itemized deductions, (b) they have very few charitable deductions or (c) Perhaps Jane never really reported her $200K golden parachute as taxable income. Should be interesting.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
80. Honestly,probably just that they have a shit ton of assets and that doesn't mesh with Bernie's image
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:26 PM
Apr 2016

Guess they don't know that a lot of the fans wouldn't care anyway.

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
15. Apparently Jane "misspoke"
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:46 PM
Apr 2016

when she said that they have released tax returns every election. http://www.factcheck.org/2016/04/sanders-evades-tax-question/

We asked the Sanders campaign twice if the senator, who has been in Congress since 1991, has released any tax information other than in 2014. We got no answer to that question.

But our fact-checking colleague at the Washington Post came across a 1996 news article about Sanders’ 1995 1040 form. The article, which appeared in a Vermont publication called Seven Days, was headlined “El Cheapo!” and focused on the $1,369 that Sanders donated to charity. The article also shows that Sanders reported a total income of $125,842, claimed $25,372 in itemized deductions and paid $19,563 in federal taxes.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
23. "El Cheapo"! Looking at those charitable donations, is the Vatican sure this is the guy they want...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:08 PM
Apr 2016

addressing them about a "moral economy"?

Tanuki

(14,919 posts)
77. Well, he told the United Way that he doesn't believe in charity, so I'm not surprised.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:52 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/19/nyregion/notes-on-people-some-disunity-along-the-united-way.html#pq=GTBW90

" For the kickoff of the 40th annual Chittenden County United Way fund-raising drive in Burlington, Vt., the sponsors considered themselves fortunate to have as guests Mayor Bernard Sanders of Burlington and Gov. Richard Snelling of Vermont.

But the charity workers heard the sort of things they wanted to hear from only one of their guests.

''I don't believe in charities,'' said Mayor Sanders, bringing a shocked silence to a packed hotel banquet room. The Mayor, who is a Socialist, went on to question the ''fundamental concepts on which charities are based'' and contended that government, rather than charity organizations, should take over responsibility for social programs. "..........

LisaM

(27,815 posts)
41. Oh, I'm laughing so hard at this.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:58 PM
Apr 2016

"El Cheapo!"

It certainly does not fit in with Pope Francis' hope that we all become more charitable. Now, I do think that during Reagan's tenure, he slashed a lot of services claiming that the private sector would pick up the slack, so it has put pressure on private citizens to pay for things like research for diseases, mental health, etc., that IMO government would better provide. However, we have to live under the system we have.

The Vatican tie-in is beautiful.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
22. VERY uncomfortable body language, evasive eye movements and nervous laugh.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:06 PM
Apr 2016

She was definitely feeling the heat.

Her "the Clinton's have been in office all these years" justification was just embarrassing. And, Halperin nailed her.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,036 posts)
32. I use Turbo Tax
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:39 PM
Apr 2016

I can produce PDFs of my returns going back to 2008. It's probably easier than calling one's tax preparer.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
40. Jane Sanders isn't even a GOOD liar
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

That was just blatant bullshit. If you use TurboTax you don't have to "go home to find them." I think that most voters will know this.

You just go online to Turbotax, and press print.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
55. He lied about it and now she has lied too.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:56 PM
Apr 2016

"every election we release them"? Offered just *after* answering that they haven't but the Clintons have because the Clintons have been in office! 1040 ain't a return, as Tapper noted. Something's wrong.

Response to DesertRat (Reply #10)

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
13. Wow - we always keep hard copies of our tax returns for awhile!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:39 PM
Apr 2016

We are extremely careful to keep reports for at least the most recent five years close at hand. Isn't there some requirement to do that in case of audit?

We store the others in labelled boxes. In fact, it was only a couple years back that I finally recycled returns from the 1970s and 1980s. It is probably safe to recycle the 1990s too by now.

That was rather a callous and dismissive answer. It indicates a troubling lack of attention to important details.



Koinos

(2,792 posts)
36. Sanders wants to preside over a multi-trillion dollar economy, and he can't find his tax returns.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:52 PM
Apr 2016

This campaign train has left the station, left the rails, and left the real world.

George II

(67,782 posts)
37. Wait until the IRS hears that - they require that a certain number of years be retained...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:53 PM
Apr 2016

...NO excuse!

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
38. I can give you hard copies for the past ten years including 2015....
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

in ten minutes. Better than that, I can access them from anywhere I am from my smart phone.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that Jane and Bernie are liars!!!

brer cat

(24,578 posts)
39. This is just going from bad to worse.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary would be top of the news for weeks if she pulled a stunt like this. If they aren't trying to hide something, why would they put themselves in such a ridiculous position?

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
44. This is either incompetence
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:08 PM
Apr 2016

or outright lying. Or both.

And this guy wants to talk about economics? This is basic stuff. At their income level, it would behoove them to keep copies for at least 5 years, like the IRS requires.

Can you hear Bernie now? "The national debt...I put it somewhere."

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
45. Isn't she the president of some college? That poor, poor school, to be run by such a disorganized
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:20 PM
Apr 2016

leader. I hope she deals with papers related to work in a better fashion.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
46. she was president of a college, and she almost ran into the ground.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:21 PM
Apr 2016

lawsuits about false and misleading statements in loan documents, etc.

George II

(67,782 posts)
61. They've been campaigning for a year now (announced March 31 last year), they have to...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:43 PM
Apr 2016

...have known this would come up.

Two things struck me about the interview that makes me think she's not the brightest:

1. She said that 30% of a candidate's delegates are superdelegates (?) Less than 15% of all delegates are superdelegates, so where does the 30% come from. I suppose she's taking all the pledged delegates and dividing them by 2, then including ALL the superdelegates, which would be "30%", but that's 30% of HALF the pledged delegates.

2. She said they'll release their tax return "when they're due". She's the one that has been doing them every year - is it a surprise that they're due this week? (actually a week from today, April 15 this year is a quasi-holiday so the deadline has been extended to April 18)

No matter how they cut it, the taxes are due before the New York primary, they should release them before that.

One other thing - a United States Senator has his taxes done with Turbotax???? If elected, does he expect to prepare his Federal budget proposal using IntuitBooks?

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
75. Wtf does it matter when they are due??? What about PAST years
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:01 AM
Apr 2016

that answer provides no reason whatsoever she won't release past years.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
59. He is not serious about running for president. He probably wants Hilary to say in the
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:31 PM
Apr 2016

next debate she doesn't want to hear any more about the damn tax returns.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
65. Blah blah blah... all the crap BS is DEMANDING from Hillary and his wife can't find the taxes.. BS
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:13 PM
Apr 2016

said they were too busy. Another Pinocchio for sanders.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
69. They look like complete fools over their taxes.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:33 PM
Apr 2016

I can't wait to find out what he is hiding. Although, he knows he has already lost so I suppose it doesn't matter.

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