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Related: About this forumArmed Capriles gang just attacked a Venezuelan Cuban healthcare center. One reportedly dead
President Maduro was just on TV talking about this. He's extremely angry about the violence Capriles and his rightwing thugs are unleashing. 'The Yankees want us to fight brother against brother, we won't give them that satisfaction' he says. ("Los gringos quisieran que peleáramos pueblo contra pueblo, no les daremos el gusto" . He said the people who were defending the healthcare center in Limonera where shot.
Ahora en vivo en Telesur ola de violencia de la derecha en Venezuela. Bandas armadas asaltan el CDI de La Limonera: un muerto #Venezuela
https://twitter.com/castillosandra/status/324004910251249665
https://twitter.com/nspecchia/status/324006591663849473
CDI (Integral Diagnostic Center) - health care center, the ones run in cooperation with the Cuban government. http://www.avn.info.ve/contenido/venezuela-has-556-cdi-health-care-centers
Being reported on Telesur now. The Director of the Center is talking about the attack. Apparently, there is one dead. http://www.telesurtv.net/el-canal/senal-en-vivo
Witnesses now talking and crying
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Consider too that the final result was much closer than the polls stated.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)President Maduro is going to need a lot of wisdom and support from other Latin American countries to navigate this minefield and keep as much calm as possible.
Thankfully he's getting official recognition and support from the ALBA bloc.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Perhaps he was encouraged by the competitive outcome. Or perhaps we are making his move for him.
Which would, of course, be a very stupid thing to do, so of course we will back it all the way.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)One person reportedly died and several were injured in the attack by opposition groups of a clinic in Caracas, as reported by the elected president of Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro on Telesur.
Telesur reported that an "anti-Chavez group" attacked the clinic located in La Limonera (Caracas) "after threatening and intimidating the residents." "There is one dead and one seriously injured person," he said through the social network Twitter.
Asked about this incident in the barracks of the Mountain, the acting president answered: "They say there's a dead and wounded", but has refused to officially confirm all the details.
This event is part of the riots that have erupted in Caracas and other Venezuelan cities to reject or uphold the election results after the National Electoral Council (CNE) Maduro proclaimed president-elect.
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http://www.europapress.es/latam/venezuela/noticia-venezuela-ataque-grupos-opositores-ambulatorio-caracas-habria-saldado-muerto-varios-heridos-20130416063254.html
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)ie, the other 50%.
Judi Lynn
(160,545 posts)how much Capriles can be trusted to respect the progress made already on behalf of the majority of Venezuelans.
Familiar pattern, by now.
Next they cut the electricity, and the water, and refuse to allow the people inside the place to get food or medicine brought in to them. Maybe they'll even start fires again.
Assholes. Everyone knows it.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)RT @ alexvzlalibre : SOURCE: The GN defended and killed two students in the CNE Tupamaros in Maracaibo. Here nobody surrenders!
https://twitter.com/alexvzlalibre/status/324036398581702656
Video: https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10151355809731333
Chavista thugs. The students didn't back down.
(Tupamaros are one of many chavista paramilitary groups in Venezuela.)
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)s
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Venezuelans should not engage them. I think Madura is correct, the US wants to see a civil war there and then we will once again, invade the country on the pretext that we are 'helping bring democracy to them'. Just like Iraq, just like Libyan just like Syria and Afghanistan and Somalia.
We want control of every oil producing country in the world or countries with strategic access to them.
We knew this would happen if the Right Winger didn't win though. They ARE predictable at least.
Judi Lynn
(160,545 posts)in our own country, to create the illusion leftists need some real rough treatment from our police and the court system. It's an old, old story.
In other countries the provocateurs show up and create the appearance of a government which presents the US' self-invitation to invade and lay waste to people they claim are preventing "democracy." God, that's a filthy, and old, old routine by now.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)the same use of young people to provide cover for the destabilization.
We did know but it's devastating watching it happen. I hope Maduro will manage to keep the calm because this could get very ugly, very fast. Completely predictable. Deja vu too many times.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)those who may not have voted for Maduro, who fell for the 'moderate' lie, may see him now for what he was all along.
I hope so, but this looks like a US backed operation, as I said before, it smells like Karl Rove or one of our Right Wing strategists.
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)Mr. Obama has any interest in LA. He's pretty busy with the Far East right now. If hostilities erupt between the Koreas, it will be big time, WWII scale conflict.
As long as Venezuela needs to sell oil to fund their lavish welfare state, and we need to buy it, there will be no invasion happening.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)At CDI Trigaleña, about 150 people forced their way in attacking Cuban doctors/medics
Carabobo State Governor, Francisco Ameliach, reported that anti-Chavez groups came violently to 8 Integral Diagnostic Centers (CDI) on Monday night.
He noted that a group of followers of the losing candidate tried to burn 300 petrocasas(**) but "the community reacted and drove away the fascists".
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The Governor urged people to remain peace and calm in face of the destabilizing acts by the right wing.
http://www.correodelorinoco.gob.ve/politica/grupos-violentos-seguidores-capriles-atacan-8-cdi-carabobo/
**Petrocasa ("Oil House" is a type of Venezuelan family houses, built in mass production. These houses are produced since 2007 by Corporación Petroquímica de Venezuela (Pequiven) and are largely utilized in rural areas under the public housing program, Mission Habitat. The houses typically have 70 m² of living space, which is distributed in three bedrooms, two bathrooms, living room, kitchen and dining room. The houses are made of PVC profiles which are assembled locally, and then filled with concrete, steel and iron girders. The walls are self-extinguishing in case of a fire, and resist an attack with nine-millimeter ammunition virtually unscathed. The German Technical Inspection Association (TÜV) Rheinland certified in August 2009 that the PVC used was free of carcinogenic substances.
The homes can be built in 1012 days. There are currently three factories in Venezuela producing the Petrocasa kits in the states of Carabobo and Apure.[1]
In the state of Carabobo, more than 27 thousand people have benefited from the construction of 6,000 homes fabricated from materials originating from the nations massive oil industry.[2]
Judi Lynn
(160,545 posts)It's hard to believe anyone could sink this low. Decent people wouldn't ever EVER consider it.
ocpagu
(1,954 posts)But it's so sick to attack health care workers that I don't even know words that could express how I feel about it.
Hope Maduro can stop these fanatics and trace back the intelectual authors for presentation in courts.
Judi Lynn
(160,545 posts)and you're right: it's nastier even due to the fact these people are there to help others who need their help badly, who would probably have NO help at all without them.
Human beings wouldn't dream of this kind of evil acton. It's a crime against Venezuela, against humanity.
dtom67
(634 posts)The wealthy elites will regain control of Venezuela's oil. They bought themselves a pro - US business candidate and tried to influence the election. The next step is to pay people to take to the streets and riot. Through proper use of Corporate Media, it will look like the whole country is rioting.
After that , its time for a coup. Once that is done, Venezuela will take huge loans from the World Bank. Capriles lines his pockets and the People get stuck with the check.
Or Maduro will die in a plane crash.
It happens all the time down there, ya know......
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)And blaming Capriles.
The chavistas are the ones, through shipping baron Wilmer Ruperti, doing business with the United States and selling most of their oil to the United States. The chavistas are the ones importing US refined gasoline at $200 a barrel to subsidize to the people at $5 a barrel when 85% of Venezuelans don't even have cars.
I swear the facts never actually seem to be accepted on this forum.
I expect Capriles to be arrested and die in transport.
Judi Lynn
(160,545 posts)Capriles arrested, to die in transport? Really? You expect that will happen?
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It won't happen as long as the right-wing interests can use him more alive.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)Other than that, I agree that your posts speaks truth to the desired outcome people are going to do their best to pursue.
I trust that Maduro learned from Chavez, to included Chavez' mistakes, and pays very close heed to Castro's warnings about his health, especially what he's given to eat. The same for Morales whom Chavez warned before he died.
It would be too optimistic to expect any such thing of Obama with the following warning:
Moreover, to insist on a slanderous campaign stating that among the top leadership of the Bolivarian government there is a desperate quarrel to assume command of the revolutionary government if the President is not able to overcome his illness, is tantamount to constructing a crude lie.
On the contrary, I have been able to see the closest unity among the leaders of the Bolivarian Revolution.
Under such circumstances, any mistake made by Obama could provoke rivers of blood in Venezuela. The Venezuelan blood is also Ecuadorian, Brazilian, Argentinean, Bolivian, Chilean, Uruguayan, Central American, Dominican and Cuban blood.
It is necessary to bear in mind this reality when analyzing the political situation in Venezuela.
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Fidel Ruiz Castro
Catherina
(35,568 posts)a new one was inaugurated earlier today.
Inauguraremos miles de nuevos CDI por cada uno que los fascistas le quemen al pueblo
We will inaugurate thousands more new CDIs for every one that the fascists burn down.
https://twitter.com/turquinauta/status/324205596163334144
Mission Barrio Adentro
Mission Barrio Adentro (English: "Mission Inside the Neighborhood" is a Bolivarian national social welfare program established under late Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez. The program seeks to provide comprehensive publicly funded health care, dental care, and sports training to poor and marginalized communities in Venezuela. Barrio Adentro features the construction of thousands of iconic two-storey medical clinicsconsultorios or doctors officesas well as staffing with resident certified medical professionals. Barrio Adentro constitutes an attempt to deliver a de facto form of universal healthcare, seeking to guarantee access to quality and cradle-to-grave medical attention for all Venezuelan citizens.
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Background
The Barrio Adentro program was developed against a background of a public health sector crumbling under long-term financial pressure. As part of the neoliberalisation programme of the early 1990s under President Rafael Caldera, a Venezuela struggling with inflation and a low oil price (oil being its primary export) was forced into spending cuts and privatisation in a number of sectors, including healthcare. A 1989 decentralisation law contributed to the trend; from 1993, state governors could request the transfer of public healthcare in their state to their control, and the inability to cope with the new responsibility encouraged cuts and privatisation. Cost recovery became increasingly prevalent through "voluntary" contributions from users.[5] In addition to the problems with the healthcare system, over the course of the decade health problems caused by poverty (infectious and deficiency diseases) increased. By 1999, 67.7% of the Venezuelan population was living in poverty, from 44.4% in 1990.[5]
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Following a series of discussions between IED and local residents, a proposal was formulated to set up a "Plan Barrio Adentro" using small local clinics to provide free healthcare "inside the neighbourhood" where previously there was none, and to involve residents in the management of the scheme. Bernal then issued a call for doctors, but the Venezuelan Medical Federation put pressure on its members not to apply.[4] Of the 50 Venezuelan doctors who did apply, 30 left on hearing that they would need to live in the barrios; the remaining 20 were specialists and therefore employed in specialist centers and not required to work in the primary health care centers in the barrios.[4] Faced with a lack of willing doctors, Bernal recalled the Cuban doctors who had provided emergency aid following the 1999 mud slides, and discussion with the Cuban Embassy in February 2003 ultimately led to a contingent of 58 Cuban doctors starting the program in April 2003.[6] In the interim, three Cuban physicians spent a month visiting the barrios, examining the homes and clinic spaces offered by the community.[4] By May 2003 another 100 Cuban doctors arrived, and were sent to other parts of Libertador and to other municipalities in and around Caracas.[4] Besides diagnosis and treatment, including the provision of free prescription drugs, the doctors carried out a health census of the barrios, which provided a complete health survey of the Caracas barrios for the first time.[4]
Despite some obstacles (including a refusal by public hospitals to accept referrals for diagnosis and treatment, only gradually and partially overcome during 2003), "Plan Barrio Adentro" became very popular with its constituents.[4] By December 2003, "Plan Barrio Adentro"having seen over 9m patient consultations and 4m health interventions[4]was so popular that it was attracting national attention, and President Chávez transformed it into a national program, named "Mission Barrio Adentro" (MBA). It became the first of a series of popular "missions" bypassing existing public institutions.[6]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Barrio_Adentro