Latin America
Related: About this forumVenezuela poverty increases
http://www.lapatilla.com/site/2012/11/28/en-venezuela-se-incremento-la-pobreza-segun-la-cepal/Overall poverty in Latin America reduced to 29.5%. Peru is under Venezuela which is astounding. I don't hear the love for Peruvian leaders or Costa Rican or Colombian despite these reductions. None of these countries have the level of violence, corruption, extrajudicial murders that Venezuela does. Also, these countries have diverse economies not dependent on a single commodity. They don't have food shortages and inflation. They appear to have at least functioning justice systems. What has the revolucion done in Venezuela?
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6 109 El índice de pobreza en América Latina se redujo del 31 % de la población en 2010 al 29,4 % en 2011, el más bajo de las últimas tres décadas, pero aún hay 168 millones de personas pobres en la región, informó la Comisión Económica para América Latina y el Caribe (Cepal), reseña Efe.
Por el contrario hubo leves incrementos en Costa Rica (18,8 % en 2011), República Dominicana (42,2 %) y Venezuela (29,5 %).
En su Panorama Social 2012, presentado en Santiago de Chile, la Cepal proyecta que gracias al crecimiento económico y a la moderada inflación la pobreza continuará reduciéndose, aunque a un menor ritmo, hasta cerrar este año en una tasa del 28,8 %, equivalente a 167 millones de personas.
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De 2010 a 2011, siete países registraron caídas significativas en las tasas de pobreza: Argentina (de 8,6 a 5,7 %), Brasil (de 24,9 a 20,9 %), Colombia (de 37,3 % a 34,2 %), Ecuador (de 37,1 a 32,4 %), Paraguay (de 54,8 a 49,6 %), Perú (de 31,3 a 27,8 %) y Uruguay (de 8,6 a 6,7 %).
Marksman_91
(2,035 posts)IMPOSSIBLE, I tell you!
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)as far as I can tell, none of the chavistas here have ever been to Venezuela. So am thinking of organizing a Bolivarian Revolutionary Tour.
Instead of visiting Canaima, Merida, Los Roques, Chichirivichi, or La Gran Sabana. We would visit Petare, chavez' tomb, expropriated industries, expropriated agricultural operations, El Rodeo I and II prisons including a night out at the prison disco for salsa dancing, and Bello Monte Morgue on Sunday.
Food included (when available)
Marksman_91
(2,035 posts)That is, if they allow their brains to not be dominated by their ideology, which I see as unlikely.
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)Look at how Eva Golinger has a million dollar apartment in New York for being a Bolivarian Shill. It wouldn't even surprise me if some posters on this forum are even getting paid to propagandize (and normally I dismiss such claims, but when it comes to chavistas, you never can know for sure).
Take the morgue out of the equation and you're on to something.
Chavistas are so deluded they'd think the prison tour was fascinating and wonderful, it'd have to be somewhat well orchestrated and the pran would have to have guys with guns not visible during the tour, and of course the parts of the prisons where those unable to pay the prans and live in squalor would have to be off limits, but it's quite dooable.
If you're really willing to take it one step further and give a truly brilliant tour: After the tour of all the "Revolutionary" places with well orchestrated imagery and pathing, take blinders off. Take them into Petare on a very violent night (typically a summer weekend, when alcohol consumption is high and the heat of the night permeates), take them to expropriated industries in complete disarray, take them to another prison, but this time the entire tour would be in the squalor sections, and the guys with gun would be in full view (it'd be a different prison, and you'd have a video of the original prison they toured so they could see that that prison was the same way). At the end you'd tell people "This wasn't a Bolivarian Tour, this was a Propaganda Tour, we wanted you to see the realities, not the fantasies." Have the tour people sign an NDA so no one would know the true intent of the tour.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)I assume the government would not look favorably on such an activity. I'd be arrested probably.
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)The government was not happy about it and in several instances intervened. Those guys are good though, they get that a lot, and know who and how to bribe people (generally they find a good make things happen guy).
naaman fletcher
(7,362 posts)The thing is, they have them. We have seen the posts before on the sheltered tours.
But there is still one prominent poster here who won't even do that.
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)It's insane. It's like taking the worst areas of Detroit or New Orleans, painting the roofs red, and saying, "Come gawk at the poor!"
naaman fletcher
(7,362 posts)US policy is bad, therefore this isn't true