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Related: About this forumCriminal offenses uncovered from Mario Silva's audio recording
http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/130525/criminal-offenses-uncovered-from-mario-silvas-audio-recordingHIGH TREASON. To criminal lawyer Juan Carlos Gutiérrez, [Mario] Silva's talking to a member of Cuba's military intelligence admitting to previous talks with others on the possibility of changing the election results, involves the crime of acting in concert with foreigners to interfere in domestic affairs, punishable with up to thirty years in prison. "My Commander Fidel once told me (...) that he didn't understand why Commander Chávez had not done away with bourgeois elections, because the people could be wrong. And I totally agree."
CONSPIRACY. "They [parliament speaker Diosdado Cabello and his group] want to remove [Defense Minister Diego] Molero. Why do they want to remove him? To be able to take the armed forces and put pressure on [Nicolás] Maduro; to behave as they please, or to pull a coup d'état." To Gutiérrez, this statement purportedly made by Silva amounts to a criminal offense under Article 143 of the Venezuelan Criminal Code, which entails criminal liability of 12 to 24 years' imprisonment for "any person who rises up in public in a hostile manner against the legally constituted or elected government in order to overthrow it or prevent it from taking office."
GRAFT. "Do you remember that in an earlier report I said that Diosdado's financing sources had to be cut off? Remember? I even said that two of his most important financing sources were Cadivi [Foreign Exchange Management Committee] and Seniat [Integrated National Customs and Tax Administration Service]."To Gutiérrez, had these agencies given money directly to parliament speaker Cabello or his cronies, we would be looking at a criminal offense under Article 194 of the Criminal Code, entailing criminal liability of 3 to 10 years' imprisonment.
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MURDER? "They aim to kill me because I know too much shit. I know too much shit, Palacios [the Cuban agent Aramis Palacios]. They know I'm entrenched. They put out another contract on my children's life. We discovered two of the guys and went pum pam and hit them." Gutiérrez declines to characterize these words, allegedly uttered by Silva, as a confession to murder, since no express mention is made in the recording of him shooting someone. "Maybe 'pum pam' refers to some blows or to shots fired in the air," Gutiérrez said.
Socialistlemur
(770 posts)I went and read the tape transcript. It sure is juicy. That guy Silva taped himself admitting he had two people murdered? And they let him get away to Cuba? I guess their cops aren't very swift.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)Cuba is going to do what it can to keep the oil flowing from Venezuela. He goes to another country he could talk.
Socialistlemur
(770 posts)But I'm not sure. They also tell me the opposition has more tapes. And the cd with the first recording is a best seller in the streets of Caracas. I got a feeling the group releasing the tapes to the opposition are either a disenchanted chavista faction or the CIA. If the CIA has agents with access to all the intelligence the Cubans gather in Venezuela, the kablooey is going to be huge. They may be releasing juicy material for weeks. I bet the Cubans are getting very nervous.
naaman fletcher
(7,362 posts)Anyway, the CIA does have all the phone recordings, but they would never release any of them because if they did then everyone would stop talking on phones. the CIA wants to collect the info, and therefore doesn't reveal that they are listening to everything. Well, it's probably the NSA and not the CIA.
There is a book called "It's our turn to eat" about Kenya that I HIGHLY recommend. It's a great book.
One interesting thing in it though was that the British High Commission was listening to all of the phone conversations of Kenyan Politicians. This was 10 years ago. There i no question that the technology exists and no question that the top nations of the world all use it.
ocpagu
(1,954 posts)... but it's clear its meaning is being grossly manipulated.
There's nothing there to conclude there was high treason, conspiracy, graft or murder involved. You have to twist logic as crazy to come to that conclusion. And for a start, people are treating him as if he was the "Minister of Government Propaganda". He's not and was not in the government. There's no evidence of any plans being enacted, any kind of conspiracy being carried. Murder? Could you point out where's the corpse, for a start, before you accuse someone of murder? Murder of who?
I don't remember all this fuss in previous known cases of journalists having secret talks with foreign agents and diplomats.
William Waack, from Rede Globo, the anchorman of daily news program "Jornal da Globo" is a known informant of the US government in Brazil, as shown in at least three cables revealed by Wikileaks.
Socialistlemur
(770 posts)It should be normal procedure for police authorities to investigate a possible murder when the suspect tapes himself saying he killed somebody. I'm amazed at the lack of action by Venezuelan authorities.
If in the tape Silva says there was manipulation of the exchange market to steal and launder money then this too should be investigated. The same applies to comments regarding a coup de etat, and the failure of the voting system due to hacking of the security protocol. Furthermore, claims that Fidel Castro was pushing to end democracy in Venezuela sure are troublesome. Venezuelan democracy barely functions as it is. Silva referred in the tape to his previous reports. And he had close access and influence within the government. As such he should be arrested and investigated as a potential traitor.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)discussing criminal activity of the Ven administration officials.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)You get that sort of thing all the time.
Not often a talk show hosts talks to the CIA of a country and winds up getting a vacation in Cuba.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)ambassador isn't exactly controversial at all unless there is some prohibition in Brazil of citizens speaking to US diplomats. It seems it would be hard to get a US visa if that was the case.