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Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:23 AM Jun 2013

Venezuela’s opposition plans to base 18 war planes in Colombia: Maduro ally

not from the Onion, just stupid


http://colombiastar.com/2013/06/11/venezuelas-opposition-plans-to-base-18-war-planes-in-colombia-maduro-ally/

Posted by editor on June 11, 2013

On Sunday, Venezuela’s former vice president accused the country’s opposition of buying 18 war planes, which he claims will soon be taken to a US military base in Colombia.


During his weekly television show, Jose Vicente Rangel, who is the former defense secretary and foreign minister to Hugo Chavez, made the allegations that Venezuela’s opposition have bought 18 war planes in preparation for an attack against the nation.

“[The opposition] is preparing an armed attack on Venezuela with the participation of mercenaries,” Rangel declared.

According to the ex-vice president, the Venezuelan opposition closed the deal on May 27th in San Antonio, Texas. Rangel claimed the planes will be transferred to the base in Colombia by November and even disclosed the coordinates of the location of the military base.

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Venezuela’s opposition plans to base 18 war planes in Colombia: Maduro ally (Original Post) Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 OP
lol. nt naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #1
Remembering Ollie North... Peace Patriot Jun 2013 #2
good thing the CHavez gov't is in place and 20,000 murders per year Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #3
You're defending U.S. interference in Latin American countries? Peace Patriot Jun 2013 #4
I have to Facebook it: i dont read long posts Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #5
Nice comment, thanks. ocpagu Jun 2013 #6

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
2. Remembering Ollie North...
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 12:40 PM
Jun 2013

(for those who think this report is funny).

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Iran–Contra affair

North came into the public spotlight as a result of his participation in the Iran–Contra affair, a political scandal during the Reagan Administration, in which he claimed partial responsibility for the sale of weapons via intermediaries to Iran, with the profits being channeled to the Contras in Nicaragua. He was reportedly responsible for the establishment of a covert network, which funneled those funds to the Contras. Congress passed the Boland Amendment (to the House Appropriations Bill of 1982 and subsequent years) which prohibited the appropriation of U.S. funds by intelligence agencies for the support of the Contras. The money was passed through a shell organization, the "National Endowment for the Preservation of Liberty," to the Palmer National Bank of Washington, D.C. and then to the Contras.

In an August 23, 1986 e-mail to National Security Advisor John Poindexter, Oliver North described a meeting with a representative of Panamanian President Manuel Noriega: "You will recall that over the years Manuel Noriega in Panama and I have developed a fairly good relationship," North writes before explaining Noriega's proposal. If U.S. officials can "help clean up his image" and lift the ban on arms sales to the Panamanian Defense Force, Noriega will "'take care of' the Sandinista leadership for us."(11)(12)

North told Poindexter that President Noriega could assist with sabotage against the ruling party of Nicaragua, the Sandinista National Liberation Front. North supposedly suggested that Noriega be paid one million dollars in cash, from "Project Democracy" funds raised from the sale of U.S. arms to Iran—for the Panamanian leader's help in destroying Nicaraguan economic installations.(13)

In November 1986, as the sale of weapons was made public, North was dismissed by President Ronald Reagan and, in July 1987, was summoned to testify before televised hearings of a joint Congressional committee that was formed to investigate Iran–Contra. The image of North taking the oath in full Marine unifrom became iconic, and helped to define him in the eyes of the public.[citation needed] During the hearings, North admitted that he had lied to Congress previously, for which among other things, he was later charged. He defended his actions by stating that he believed in the goal of aiding the Contras, whom he saw as freedom fighters, against the Sandinistas and said that he viewed the Iran–Contra scheme as a "neat idea".(14) North admitted shredding government documents related to his Contra and Iranian activities, at William Casey's suggestion, when the Iran–Contra scandal became public. He also testified that Robert McFarlane had asked him to alter official records to delete references to direct assistance to the Contras and that he had helped.(15)

North was tried in 1988. He was indicted on sixteen felony counts, and, on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity; aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry; and ordering the destruction of documents via his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years' probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours community service. Oliver North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in Southeast Washington, DC.(16)

However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU),(17) North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.(18)

Because North had been granted limited immunity for his Congressional testimony, the law prohibited a prosecutor from using that testimony as part of a criminal case against him. To prepare for the expected defense challenge that North's testimony had been used, the prosecution team had—before North's congressional testimony had been given—listed and isolated all of its evidence.[citation needed] Further, the individual members of the prosecution team had isolated themselves from news reports and discussion of North's testimony. While the defense could show no specific instance in which North's congressional testimony was used in his trial, the Court of Appeals ruled that the trial judge had made an insufficient examination of the issue. Consequently, North's convictions were reversed. After further hearings on the immunity issue, Judge Gesell dismissed all charges against North on September 16, 1991.

Allegations of involvement with drug traffickers

Allegations were made, most notably by the Kerry Subcommittee, that North and other senior officials created a privatized Contra network that attracted drug traffickers looking for cover for their operations, then turned a blind eye to repeated reports of drug smuggling related to the Contras, and actively worked with known drug smugglers such as Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega to assist the Contras.(19) Most Contra associates found guilty of trafficking by the Kerry Committee were involved in the supply chain (ostensibly for "humanitarian goods," though the supply chain was later found to have serviced the transport of arms), which had been set up by North. Organizations and individuals involved in the supply chain under investigation for trafficking included the company SETCO (operated by large-scale trafficker Juan Matta-Ballesteros), the fruit company Frigorificos de Puntarenas, rancher John Hull, and several Cuban Exiles; North and other US government officials were criticized by the Kerry Report for their practice of "ticket punching" for these parties, whereby people under active investigation for drug trafficking were given cover and pay by joining in the Contra supply chain. In addition to the Kerry Committee's investigation, the Costa Rican government of Óscar Arias conducted an investigation of Contra-related drug trafficking, and as a result of this investigation, North and several other US Government officials were permanently banned from entering Costa Rica.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North

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This is only one of numerous U.S. covert operations in Latin America, over the last half century, in alliance with the worst fascist bastards that Latin America has ever produced--from the fascist dictators in Chile, Brazil, Argentina and other countries, who were torturing and murdering thousands of leftists, to the 'contras' in Nicaragua who were assassinating teachers, mayors, community activists and others who supported the Sandinista government, to the genocidists in Guatemala, who, with Reagan's full support, were slaughtering TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND Mayan villagers, to the U.S.-supported coupsters in Venezuela in 2002, who, if the people of Venezuela had not intervened, would still be torturing and murdering leftists to this day, to the U.S.-supported fascist bastards in Colombia, where thousands of labor leaders, teachers, community activists, peasant leaders and other advocates of the poor have been assassinated, to the coupsters in Honduras TODAY, where the same is happening.

All with direct and/or covert support of the U.S. government and its "military-industrial complex."

I watched all of the Iran-Contra hearings on TV and was appalled at the complicity of our Democratic Party leaders in granting immunity to North (which I guessed would be used to reverse his convictions) and in NOT impeaching Reagan. That was effectively the end of the Democratic Party as a democratic organization and the "big tent" representative of the majority of Americans. North was "immune." So was Reagan--an appalling trend that continues to this day, with Obama sweeping all Bush Junta crimes under the Oval Office carpet.

It is NO LAUGHING MATTER when someone with Rangels' credentials makes an accusation like this. He may or may not have the goods on the "opposition" coupsters but, in view of the discovery of several groups of armed fascist paramilitaries in Venezuela, from Colombia, an investigation is certainly warranted. That is what he has called for.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
3. good thing the CHavez gov't is in place and 20,000 murders per year
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 01:42 PM
Jun 2013

lack of basic foods and products, press and speech suppression, and staggering inflation. Just imagine what life would be like with out the CHavez/Manuro administrations.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
4. You're defending U.S. interference in Latin American countries?
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 03:28 AM
Jun 2013

You think that's the answer to their problems? More Ollie North's selling arms to Iran and drug running to pay goons to kill more Latin Americans?

That's your answer?

The PEOPLE OF VENEZUELA have chosen the Chavez-Maduro administration, time and again. And they've also rated their own country FIFTH IN THE WORLD on their own sense of well-being and future prospects (in the latest Gallup Well-being poll).

They must know things that you are not saying.

The black holes in YOUR assessment of Venezuela are all the reasons WHY the people of Venezuela voted, time and again, for Chavez, recently threw out all but four of the rightwing governors, and voted (though by a much closer margin than Chavez) for Chavez's VP, Nicolas Maduro. (And stop with the juvenile "Manuro." It's a stupid, childish joke.)

The Chavez-Maduro government has many remarkable achievements that comprise the reasons why Venezuelans have voted for them. These include the REDUCTION in inflation from pre-Chavez, astronomic levels. Pre-Chavez inflation peaked at 99.99%!. It's no wonder that the people of Venezuela prefer Chavez policies. And on many other issues--access to health care, access to higher education, access to the public airwaves, high employment rates with good wages and benefits, pensions for all (including mothers, housewives and street vendors), better oil contracts with the multinationals with more funds going to Venezuelan social programs, much more community involvement in the spending of that money, high economic growth rates, access to credit, help for small businesses and co-ops, fair taxation, strong banking regulation, and more--Chavez government policies have been SUCCESSFUL and that is why Venezuelans have voted for them.

No, the Chavez-Maduro government hasn't solved every problem. Yes, they have solved MANY problems. THAT is why they are in office. That is why people vote for them. The prior rightwng and "neo-liberal" (U.S.-friendly) governments did NOT solve problems like acute poverty, acute lack of health care and acute lack of educational opportunity. They couldn't have cared less about the gravest problems in the country. They served the rich oil elite and MADE problems--horrible problems--for everybody else, including murdering hundreds of poor protestors.

You think U.S./Wall Street ideas and U.S.A.I.D.-supported candidates would be better for Venezuela? You think rule by Exxon Mobil, Chevron and the CIA would be better for Venezuela?

Right. Maybe Venezuela should be like Colombia and Honduras, U.S. client states where thousands of labor leaders, teachers, community activists, human rights workers, peasant leaders and other advocates of the poor, journalists and political leftists, have been murdered--by the U.S. supported militaries and their closely tied rightwing death squads. Ollie North's kind of countries.

Your badmouthing of Venezuela doesn't reflect reality. And your alternative is...what? Malfeasance by the rich? 99.99% inflation? No health care for the poor? No higher education for the poor? High infant mortality rate? Poor wages, no unions, no housing, no shoes to put on their children's feet, no say in anything? The banksters ripping everybody off? Privatization of everything, costing the poor more than their pittance wages, for water, for electricity, for transportation, for living itself, and slaughter of the poor if they object?

That's what they had before Chavez. You want them to return to that? To rule by the oblivious rich and their U.S. corporate pals?

It seems that you truly do want this to happen to Venezuela: Ollie North's wet dream.

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
5. I have to Facebook it: i dont read long posts
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 06:32 AM
Jun 2013

It seems to me the discussion was about a statement made by a former Venezuelan Vice President claiming Venezuelans had purchased 18 war planes and was having them delivered to a "US military base" in Colombia. So the question in my mind is, does this makes sense? I think it doesn't. As far as I know there are no "USA military bases" in Colombia. And it sure doesn't make any sense for a civilian group to purchase 18 war planes to attack Venezuela. It's truly bizarre.

So let me think....I bet a Colombian corporation negotiated the purchase of a small fleet of medium sized civilian planes. This information was passed to the FARC and they shared it with their Cuban and Venezuelan friends...then this item was inflated by the Venezuelan to get ratings for his TV show...

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
6. Nice comment, thanks.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 02:58 PM
Jun 2013

US has given enough reasons to be fairly labeled as the permanent "usual suspect" in any operations related to its foreign policy in Latin America. It would be stupid not to consider it this way. Certainly not laughing matter.

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