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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:34 AM Jul 2013

The U.S. should end the Cuban embargo

The U.S. should end the Cuban embargo
By Katrina vanden Heuvel
Tue, 02 Jul 2013

Is there a greater example of utter folly than America’s superannuated policy toward Cuba? During more than 50 years corrupted by covert actions, economic sabotage, travel bans and unending embargo, the United States managed to make Castro and Cuba an international symbol of proud independence. Intent on isolating Cuba, Washington has succeeded only in isolating itself in its own hemisphere. Intent on displacing Fidel Castro, the U.S. enmity only added to his nationalist credentials.

A recent visit reveals a Cuba that is already beginning a new, post-Castro era. That only highlights the inanity of the continuing U.S. embargo, a cruel relic of a Cold War era that is long gone.

Cuba is beginning a new experiment, driven by necessity, of trying to build its own version of market socialism in one country. Just as populist movements in the hemisphere looked to Castro and Cuba for inspiration, now Cuba is learning from its allies as it cautiously seeks to open up its economy. A former minister of the economy spoke of how Cuba is committed to fostering private coops and businesses, and is beginning a push to make more state enterprises make their own way.

This month, 100 state-run produce markets and 26 other establishments are scheduled to become private cooperatives. The government says many more establishments will follow, beginning in 2014, as an alternative to small and medium-size state businesses in retail and food services, transportation, light manufacturing and construction, among other sectors.

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MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. If Fidel dies, that will speed up the process, I believe.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:54 AM
Jul 2013

What ever that boy did, he is UNFORGIVEN for it.

We normalized relations with China. We did the detente thing with the former USSR. Now Russia is a "strategic partner."

We got over Vietnam, after a cost of 58K lives...but we can't get past Cuba?

Fidel did a bad, bad thing. One day we will learn what that bad, bad thing was.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
2. Maybe because Cuba is 90 miles off US shore
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 07:08 AM
Jul 2013

Folks from other nations have been enjoying Cuba. As the song goes, the only way to see Cuba is with the CIA. Or Guantanamo.

I personally think this embargo is bullshit and time to get rid of it. That's if our government was functioning and no sign of that.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. You can see Cuba with a people-to-people program, easily.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 07:15 AM
Jul 2013

It's still not optimal, as a tourist opportunity might be, but they are very common these days. That, and other efforts, like being able to send money and necessities home, are an improvement over the Bush administration's policies.

Of course, if you have relatives still on the island, you can go visit them and even leave from USA on a non-stop, now.

When Fidel goes, things will change. I'd like to know what the deal was with him--don't know if I'll live long enough to get the whole story! They tend to lock that shit up for way too long...

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
4. He screwed over both US Mafias
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 08:43 AM
Jul 2013

The "official" criminals had gambling, nightclubs, etc., not to mention a convenient bolt hole. That all vanished when Castro cleaned house.

The unofficial criminals, also known as American business, lost a lot of cheap sugar and other things. And then, there were the private estates, all convenient bolts holes for the other criminal class.

It was a US colony that broke free. We are blessed that the Brits were able to let go of the US (aside from the War of 1812 and the Civil War, when they chose to oppose the US--banker's orders!)

Of course, the fact that the US twice saved English butts might have something to do with it...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
5. You know, I've heard all those theories, about how he was "involved" somehow...
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 01:34 PM
Jul 2013

...and I just don't know what to think. On the one hand, I say to myself "Jesus, why would he get mixed up in that mess?" and on the other, there's the whole "exploding cigar" story that has been circulated. That was back in the day when assassinating a head of state wasn't off the table.

The sugar lobby is a real thing--I remember going down to Jamaica when suger went through the roof here in USA, it was sometime in the seventies, if I remember, and I went to the supermarket to pick up some stuff. I looked at the price of sugar and it was so flat out cheap that I bought thirty some odd pounds of the stuff to bring home to my aunties who liked to bake. Well, guess who got stopped at customs? And guess how they packaged the sugar down JamRock way? In CLEAR, SEALED, ONE KILO PLASTIC BAGS!



The customs guy thought he'd hit paydirt with me. I think he saw a promotion in his future for the biggest drug bust in history. I'm insisting "It's SUGAR man--haven't you seen the price of sugar lately?"

Of course they wanted to check it, and I -- in martinet-like fashion -- insisted that they get some tape so they could properly seal the bags after they had so done! So they did, they checked a couple, looked real close at the rest of them, had a huge laugh about it...and they allowed me to go on my way!

My aunties loved the sugar, too!

Anyway, I would love that mystery to be solved. I wish someone would just answer the question "Why is Fidel UNFORGIVEN?" in a way that makes some kind of real sense. I do think the animus is towards him as a person. I've noticed how, in past years, Presidential candidates have said "Blah, blah, blah, normalize, blah Cuba, blah" on the campaign trail, and then, they get into office, and all that shit goes away. I just have to wonder what's in that file they read after they are elected...?!

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
6. It's not the file...it's the campaign cash
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 02:05 PM
Jul 2013

I'll never be elected, because you cannot buy my respect.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. I don't think so. They need the cash while they are running, not after, so much.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jul 2013

You'd think they'd avoid the topic if they were being paid by big business to back a "tough on Cuba" strategy. Instead, many talk the normalization talk ahead of their elections, and only afterwards do they pull back.

It's odd.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
8. Ah, but the running never ends
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:43 PM
Jul 2013

Elections keep happening, and then, there's the run for one's life and freedom...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. That is true, but incumbents always have an advantage, and there are plenty of
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 02:38 AM
Jul 2013

people who want favors and will pay hard cash to get access, and who also could give two poops about our Cuba policy.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
13. I don't think they do.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 02:36 AM
Jul 2013

I don't think anyone thinks they do.

They have much in common with us--they look a lot like a quarter of our population, they are industrious, well educated, persevering....all the qualities we love in an immigrant population.

What's happening re: our relations with Cuba isn't about geostrategic threats, it's about PUNISHMENT. Castro, Fidel, that is, not Raul, did something bad...and his country is being made to pay.

When he's dead, the sentence will be lifted. The question is, will we ever find out what the crime was?

Zorro

(15,740 posts)
16. I believe you are correct
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:49 PM
Jul 2013

it is personal, and the relationship will not change until Fidel passes from the scene.

Last year's 50th anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis had articles that mentioned Fidel's willingness to instigate a nuclear exchange between the US and USSR; that may have something to do with it.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
11. Oooooh, how can they live that way? I'll bet it's those neighborhood leaders
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 06:58 PM
Jul 2013

who're sneaking around taking images of their mail, etc.

They should take lessons from countries like the U.S. where it has been casually mentioned, that if one sees sumpthin', one should say sumpthin', in case our neighbor might be a terrorist, we oughta tell. That's to PROTECT ourselves from those muslins!

Love the way your blue smilie bolts right back behind the couch where the yellow one is hiding! Great planning. Harder to catch if you work in teams.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
12. The commie Cuban Drs are making house calls under Castro's command, not to treat the sick ...
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 07:53 PM
Jul 2013

... but to create a massive database on who is who.

Shit like that doesn't happen in the USofA.
I mean ... imagine US Drs making house calls!!!


Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
15. It's not good for their images in this country! Makes them look so humble!
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 04:44 AM
Jul 2013

That's just not the US American way, is it?

Here, we get people like George W. Bush encouraging US Americans to watch neighbors, or meter readers, or house painters, or mail carriers, or tree trimmers, or gardeners, or plumbers, or appliance repair people, or home remodelers, etc. to not only do their jobs on and around people's homes, but to keep their eyes peeled so they can see if the homeowner and/or his householders are possibly [font size=6][font color=red]TERRORISTS![/font][/font]

There could just be enemies everywhere, all the time! This is just horrible! Help!

Well, maybe we could afford to be calmer some of the time, and hope for the best! Yeah, that's it, think positive.

It's Cuba where all the weird stuff is, that's right, Cuba! Commies, you know.

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