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It took the Spanish government an inexplicably long time, but it finally apologized last week to Bolivia for an extremely rare diplomatic faux-pas, denying access to its air space for the presidential plane carrying Bolivian President Evo Morales from an official trip to Russia on July 3.
Spain was acting on information from an undisclosed source that whistleblower Edward Snowden, who revealed global eavesdropping by the United States, was hidden inside the plane. France, Portugal and Italy also denied their air space, but quickly moved to correct the situation. Madrids denial was more serious, not only because Spain was slow to recant its position but because Bolivias presidential plane had to refuel in Spains Canary Islands on its way to South America.
Further adding to the offense, the Spanish ambassador in Austria, where Morales was forced to land, tried to invite himself onboard for coffee to inspect the plane. Spain finally apologized and acknowledged that it acted inappropriately, but only after multiple international bodies had condemned the affair.
As we know now, Snowden wasnt on board, and its hard to explain why anyone would think Bolivias head of state would risk stowing away Snowden, and even harder to figure out why European governments would deny use of their airspace, treating Morales as if he were a criminal.
http://consortiumnews.com/2013/07/22/laffaire-snowden-shows-us-weakness/
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Even he doesn't think he is a hero, I don't know why his enemies keep pushing that. I think it's funny. Look at him, he's a nerd, like me. He's an introvert. Rambo would not even notice him.
What he has shown however, is that nobody really cares about all that crap they are collecting, but they are greatly offended by having these silly creeps collecting all their data all the time, and using it for their own purposes, like they had some sort of right to it.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)They ought not be collecting it, they ought not be saving it, it is none of their business unless a judge agrees in public view they have a legitimate interest under the law in your affairs, and even then you better have your right to respond and or sue their asses if they transgress. They have no right to meddle in your business at all without probably cause. That is what a "right to privacy" mean, a right to be left alone, to be unwatched, unsupervised, and unevaluated, unmeasured, and so on, unless you first consent, or they first supply a good reason. The burden is on the government to prove its need to know, not on you to prove your right to be left alone.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)and they can make their own decisions.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)another screw up for which they will pay as they underestimated the power the Latin American nations have accumulated over the past decade while they and the US, their actual boss, were raiding the resources of ME countries.
Same as the other screw up in Britain, when another puppet 'leader' made the incredible suggestion that they should raid the sovereign territory of the Ecuadoran Embassy to 'get' Julian Assange. Fortunately wiser heads prevailed, but not before they had made idiots of themselves before the entire world.
Someone needs to give some lessons on International Law and Treaties and Agreements on the Immunity of heads of state, and some separate deprogramming sessions to try to remove the notion from their collective minds, that every country in the world that is not run by white people, isn't a colony of their former Empires. Their Empires no longer exist, thankfully.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)not surprising that it bleeds over into this....they are probably trying to hedge bets that Uncle Stupid will provide a backstop/bailout/miracle/defensive troops....
The apology is perhaps mending fences in case BOLIVIA can bail out the "mother country".
It's a bad time to be a leader (when you really DON'T want to lead or take responsibility).
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Who is doing what to whom in your view? Tell me about it, if you are civil, I will be too.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)So it's a race between catastrophe, the (in)ability to cope and/or admit one's mistakes.
There's another comment to my reply from someone I have on Ignore. If it's worth un-Ignoring, please let me know!
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I could not make sense of what the other guy was going on about.
Or he could not make sense of what I was going on about.
Either way he seemed disgruntled.
So no nothing you need to see.
It did not go on long and nothing meaningful was said.