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Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:31 PM Jul 2013

Maduro was born in Colombia?

http://ar.noticias.yahoo.com/%C2%BFnicol%C3%A1s-maduro-naci%C3%B3-en-colombia--123805728.html


Th ex-ambassador from Panama to the OAS said he will soon provide documents concerning the actual nationality of Maduro. Maduro has not presented a birth certificate.

His mother was born in Cucuta in 1929 and the documented proof contrasts with Maduro's version that she was born in Venezuela

Colombian newspapers have published testimonials of residents of Cucuta stating that Maduro resided there, and a city official asured that he played football there with Maduro.

Other sources also said that Maduro sold corn bollos in the street and that his father graduated high school near Santander, Colombia.


Article 41 of the Constitution “Sólo los venezolanos por nacimiento y sin otra nacionalidad podrán ejercer el cargo de presidente”.
(Only Venezuelanas by birth without any other nationality can exercise the charge of president).




http://mikesbogotablog.blogspot.com/2013/06/nicolas-maduro-colombian.html More

The critics and Colombian newspapers have produced birth certificates showing that Maduro's mother and sister were born in the Colombian border city of Cucuta. And Cucuta residents recall playing soccer there with the youthful Maduro - who has always claimed to have been born and grown up in Caracas.

That's all suggestive, but proves nothing. What seems more significant is the fact that Maduro and his people haven't made the logical response of producing birth and baptism certificates, school records, newspaper clippings or other evidence documenting Maduro's birth and childhood

Instead, only a silence, which speaks loudly.




Entre estas se encuentra el ex embajador de Panamá ante la OEA, Guillermo Cochez, quien en una serie de pronunciamientos públicos ha advertido que dentro de muy pronto presentará documentos sobre la verdadera nacionalidad del nuevo líder de la Revolución blivariana.

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Pero sí existen registros que colocan a la familia de Maduro en Colombia, incluyendo su madre, Teresa de Jesús Moros de Maduro, quien según documentos obtenidos por El Nuevo Herald, nació en Cúcuta en 1929.

Ese documento contrasta con la versión brindada por Maduro de que su madre había nacido en Venezuela.

Diarios colombianos también han publicado testimonios de residentes de Cúcuta que aseguran que Maduro vivía de joven en esa localidad, incluyendo al consejero comunal de la alcaldía de esa ciudad, Walter Cardona, quien asegura que solía jugar al fútbol con el actual mandatario.

Otra de las fuentes citadas por los medios de comunicación colombianos aseguran que Maduro solía vender bollos de maíz en las calles de Cúcuta, y que su padre, Nicolás Maduro García, se graduó en un colegio de Ocaña, al norte de Santander, en 1947.


Por último, el diputado citó el artículo 41 de la Constitución Nacional, que establece: “Sólo los venezolanos por nacimiento y sin otra nacionalidad podrán ejercer el cargo de presidente”.
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lunasun

(21,646 posts)
5. if the newspropers in Columbia have his mother's + sister's BC - why not his?
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:42 PM
Jul 2013

who cares about his sister's BC?? oh wait

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
6. why doesn't he have a Venezuelan BC? Evidence is mounting
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:43 PM
Jul 2013

why claim your mother was born in Venezuela when she is Colombian?

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
9. He has a Venezuelan BC.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:52 PM
Jul 2013

5892464 is the number of his "cédula de identidad", issued at the Unidad Móvil 52 in Caracas.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
10. a cedula isn't a BC, as you know
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:56 PM
Jul 2013

Looks like he holds dual nationality since his mother was born in Colombia which makes him a Colombian citizen therefore disqualifies for the presidency. Thats assuming he was born in Ven in the first place.

Don't worry though, the chavistas aren't going to worry about technicalities like the constitution.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
4. nope, nothing like the birthers. Obama has produced a birth certificate
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:41 PM
Jul 2013

proving his origin. Maduro, like most chavistas, is a liar.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
7. Doubts about Ven president's nationality
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:53 PM
Jul 2013

The contradictions were generated, involuntarily, by the governor of Tachira, chancellor Elias Jaua, and Maduro himself. They attributed his birth place in Venezuela to 3 different places. (oops!!) Maduro's grandparents, great grand parents are Colombian. His parents married in Bogota en 1956. His mother is Colombian, his father graduated in Colombia, and Maduro himself lived and studied in Cucuta.


http://noticias.univision.com/america-latina/venezuela/article/2013-07-12/nicolas-maduro-venezolano-nacionalidad-origenes-colombia#axzz2ZsxnzXTG


Las contradicciones fueron generadas, seguramente de manera involuntaria, por el gobernador del Táchira, José Gregorio Vielma Mora, el canciller Elías Jaua y el propio Maduro. Ellos atribuyeron el lugar de nacimiento del actual presidente de Venezuela a tres lugares diferentes.

Este fue el punto de partida y luego comenzaron las investigaciones. El Universal indica que la madre de Maduro es colombiana; su padre obtuvo el título de bachiller en Colombia, mientras el propio Maduro vivió y estudió en Cúcuta, Colombia.

Tanto los abuelos como los bisabuelos del presidente venezolano son colombianos; los padres de Maduro se casaron en Bogotá en 1956, informó el medio según reveló el diputado opositor Abelardo Díaz.

Judi Lynn

(160,592 posts)
11. Birthers, except when there's a rightest they need to elect, like Schwarzenneger.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:59 PM
Jul 2013

Wasn't all that long ago when Arnold was the governor of California that the right-wingers were trying to devise a way they could get legislation passed to allow that a-hole to run for President even though he was born in Austria or somewhere.

All that matters to right-wingers is that they get their way and everyone else doesn't. Has nothing to do with the law whatsoever. If it did, they would have CLEAN government when right-wingers are in power, not what we've seen from them already.

You guys just suck at everything. Very low quality people.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
12. yes, its called changing the constitution, just like they would have to do in Venezuela
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 04:05 PM
Jul 2013

since his mother was born in Colombia he has dual citizenship and cannot hold the office of the presidency. That's even assuming Manuro was born in Venezuela which is suspect.

Chavistas pigs don't care about details like laws though all that matter to chavista pigs is that they get their way and everyone else doesn't it. Sounds like the right wingers in the US doesn't it Judy?

Judi Lynn

(160,592 posts)
14. Don't care about laws. That's hot. That's why so many take pride in knowing
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 02:51 AM
Jul 2013

their constitution, even carrying around the little blue copies which were made for mass circulation.

It's always enjoyable getting your views. You're just about the best.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
15. do you have your copy? what does article 41 say?
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 08:41 AM
Jul 2013

maybe you should keep a copy with you along with your photo collection of right wingers.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
13. Venezuelan constitution doesn't have birthright clause.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:09 PM
Jul 2013

A Venezuelan-American could run there and be legitimately elected.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
16. article 41
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 08:44 AM
Jul 2013

Article 41: Only Venezuelans* by birth who have no other nationality shall be permitted to hold the offices of President* of the Republic, Executive Vice President, Chairman* and Vice-Chairman* of the National Assembly, Justices* of the Supreme Tribunal of Justice, Chairman* of the National Board of Elections, Attorney General of the Republic, Comptroller General* of the Republic, General Prosecutor* of the Republic, People Defender*, Ministers* with responsibilities relating to national security, finance, energy and mining or education; Governors* and Mayors* of border States and Municipalities and those contemplated under the Organic Law on the National Armed Forces. In order to hold the position of member* of the National Assembly, Minister* or Governors* and Mayors* of non-border States and Municipalities, naturalized Venezuelans must be domiciled in Venezuela with at least fifteen years of permanent residence, as well as meeting the capability requirements provided for by law.

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/research/venezuela-constitution.html


I assume this is why he lied about his mother's birth place since he is also a Colombian citizen then. And it doesn't seem clear that he was born in Ven to begin with. No worries though, its not like chavistas are known for following their own constitution. The "birther" issue would never have been an issue until 3 administration officials, including Nicolas, claimed he was born in 3 different cities.

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