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ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 09:40 AM Feb 2014

"Hugo Chavez Battle Units prepare for the fulminant counter-attack. Diosdado will give the orders"

“UBCH a prepararse para el contraataque fulminante. Diosdado dará la orden"

This is the message sent by twitter to the UBCH (Hugo Chavez Battle Units, PSUV militia) by the governor of Carabobo Francisco Ameliach, just before Genesis Carmona was shot in the head in Valencia, the capital town of Carabobo.

Leopoldo Lopez is being prosecuted for homicide and terrorism because he called to demonstrate last 02/12.

For the skeptical ones, you can go check for yourselves in his twitter account, see 02/17:
https://twitter.com/AmeliachPSUV
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"Hugo Chavez Battle Units prepare for the fulminant counter-attack. Diosdado will give the orders" (Original Post) ChangoLoa Feb 2014 OP
Murder and terrorism charges were dropped, springchick Feb 2014 #1
I see that you're a big Lopez fan. delrem Feb 2014 #2
I'm a fan of the Venezuelan people, and what they want. springchick Feb 2014 #3
Good, I'm glad to see that you aren't salivating for a coup. delrem Feb 2014 #4
I was never for a coup, I'm for what the good people of Venezuela want. springchick Feb 2014 #5
Yes, they gave Maduro a nice solid electoral victory. nt delrem Feb 2014 #6
Yes, they did, no problem with that, it was a fair, transparent election, springchick Feb 2014 #7
Hmmm, so you're such a pro-Chavez type, such a pro-Bolivarian type, delrem Feb 2014 #8
No, that's wrong. springchick Feb 2014 #9
That's great, springchick. delrem Feb 2014 #10
 

springchick

(137 posts)
1. Murder and terrorism charges were dropped,
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 09:46 AM
Feb 2014

but he's still being held on arson and conspiracy charges.
I don't see how Mr. Maduro can put the genie back in the bottle and the more repressive he becomes, the worse the situation will become.
I fear there's going to be a lot of killing of protesters before things start to get better.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
2. I see that you're a big Lopez fan.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 02:39 PM
Feb 2014

Which of the Bolivarian policies are you hoping to dismantled first? Universal health care along with the destruction of the thousands of free medical clinics for the poor? The anti-illiteracy educational campaigns? Repeal of food and housing subsidies? Reduction or elimination of the near 50% of the Venezuelan budget earmarked for social investment?

After Lopez and his supporters dismantle and eradicate the Bolivarian policies which of Lopez's plans for a post-Bolivarian Venezuelan future do you like best? Can you list some of these plans for us and explain why liberal/progressive folk should be eager to see them implemented?

Thank you.
 

springchick

(137 posts)
3. I'm a fan of the Venezuelan people, and what they want.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 02:43 PM
Feb 2014

If they want to keep the present policies of this government, so be it, if they want to change course next elections, so be it.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
4. Good, I'm glad to see that you aren't salivating for a coup.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 03:55 PM
Feb 2014

Perhaps my impression of several posters to this group is wrong, and they aren't using dumb things like a toilet paper shortage or etc. as justification for a putsch overthrowing the democratically elected gov't. Tho' it's hard for me to read the import of their posts in any other way...

Speaking just for myself, I'm a fan of the Bolivarian revolution - it being a true people's revolution - and I'm not a fan of Mr. Lopez and his 1% of the 1%ers who want to return Venezuela to the dark ages. The 1% of the 1%ers have a lot of money, a lot of economic power that can be used to destroy an economy, to bring pain to the people, when things don't go their way. They own the private press and use that power to lie and distort, and to inflame. (But then, what's new?) The world has seen this time and again - hell, even in the USA we've been seeing the party of the 1% effectively bringing US Federal gov't to a full stop, with a citizen's united decision allowing for a massive propaganda sweep that makes it very difficult for other views to be heard. And that's in the heartland of the corporate MIC empire.

Maybe you don't have any idea of what kind of Venezuelan policy that you support, or find it difficult to put in words in this forum? I've notice that Lopez's fans, the anti-Bolivarian crowd, hasn't spoken much about what Bolivarian policy they want to destroy first, or what (besides importing plenty of toilet paper) of Lopez's policies that they'd like implemented first. Those who admired Chavez, who admire the method and results of the Bolivarian revolution don't have that problem.

The documentary "The Revolution Won't be Televised" was recently posted to this group. Maybe you should watch it, to learn about how "the Venezuelan people" isn't just one thing, one voice, and how there are contradictory voices at play in Venezuela, and how those different voices speak in different ways, to benefit different factions?

 

springchick

(137 posts)
5. I was never for a coup, I'm for what the good people of Venezuela want.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 04:00 PM
Feb 2014

It's their country, they elect who they want to lead them.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
6. Yes, they gave Maduro a nice solid electoral victory. nt
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 04:08 PM
Feb 2014

There is certainly no justification for a coup, or all the recent talk of a coup.

 

springchick

(137 posts)
7. Yes, they did, no problem with that, it was a fair, transparent election,
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 04:15 PM
Feb 2014

the problem is that he seems to be letting the Chavez revolution go down the tubes, whether by incompetence, or lack of control over the state organs, I don't know.

I think that if elections were held today, he would lose by a wide margin, probably to someone in his own party.

Paraphrasing, but "Mr. Maduro, you're no Hugo Chavez."

delrem

(9,688 posts)
8. Hmmm, so you're such a pro-Chavez type, such a pro-Bolivarian type,
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 04:22 PM
Feb 2014

that you'd like to see the party of Chavez, the party that initiated the Bolivarian revolution, defeated -- because it doesn't meet with your high revolutionary standards.

That's fine, springchick - but I'm somewhat skeptical of people of such high standards, who deal out such contradictory messaging. I've seen it before, too many times, from "contra" types. As you'd learn if you ever decide to watch "The Revolution won't be Televised", such contradictory messaging is standard for the 1%, and puppets of the 1%.

 

springchick

(137 posts)
9. No, that's wrong.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 04:32 PM
Feb 2014

I don't want to see the party of Chavez defeated, what I would like to see is someone who is competent from his party elected and carry on his policies but also recognize that some of those policies need tweaking or reformed, I would like to see a clean up of the govt., get rid of the dishonest bureaucrats and put some honest people in those positions.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
10. That's great, springchick.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 04:54 PM
Feb 2014

So your rather inflammatory posts favoring the demonstrations of the party of Lopez are just a bit of 11-d chess?

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