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ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:16 PM Feb 2014

Venezuela govt lying and manipulating the information once again! New record.

Last edited Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:34 PM - Edit history (3)

Here we have once again our president of the National Assembly, Diosdado Cabello, lying and manipulating during his public TV show
On ed:



But this time it's even worse.

He tried to destroy the reputation of one of the dead demonstrators, José Alejandro Márquez, by showing some pictures that they picked in the guy's facebook where he's dressed in military clothing, carrying what seems to be an assault rifle. Other men surround him, same clothing, same weapons. According to Cabello, the intelligence service had found that the pictures were taken from a "paramilitary training camp" in the US, where Márquez had gone with a bunch of fascist comrades. According to him, they were planning to kill Maduro during the recent protests. In order to back this hypothesis, he showed supposed communication between Márquez and his friends. Their supposed messages talked about killing someone if they got near him.

Cabello's conclusion? "Apatrid, mercenary, traitor" Márquez was on a mission to kill Maduro, but he got second thoughts as he was getting closer from Miraflores and when he expressed his hesitation to his comrades, they liquidated him. It was sure, Cabello emphasized, that the killer was in the group picture from the "paramilitary camp" he had just showed "to Venezuela".

I was really shaken up. The pictures looked so real on TV! I thought maybe it's true that some mad people in the opposition are training as paramilitary in the US and preparing to invade our country.




Well.... it turns out that the pictures that Márquez posted on his facebook (without even making them private) came from an airsoft gun tournament he had played in Venezuela months before. The Venezuelan Airsoft Federation just issued a message of solidarity with the guy's family, stating that Márquez was "a young hard-working Venezuelan who liked to practice sports".
Here in Spanish: http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/140226/desmienten-a-cabello-y-dicen-que-marquez-practicaba-airsoft

You can see the pictures on his fb account:
https://www.facebook.com/marquezjalejandro

Reminder: José Alejandro Márquez died sunday night in Caracas after 4 days of coma. He was wildly beat up by two National Guards on feb. 19, while he was recording the demonstration with his phone. One of the guards ordered him to give away his cell phone, but he disobeyed. Instead, he started running away. Unfortunately, he fell down, the two guards caught him, stole his phone and kicked him so hard in the head while he was lying on the floor that they ended up putting him in a coma, and eventually killing him.
here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/110826507

José Alejandro Márquez
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Venezuela govt lying and manipulating the information once again! New record. (Original Post) ChangoLoa Feb 2014 OP
Huh? This thread doesn't even make sense. rdharma Feb 2014 #1
It makes complete sense--the kid was an airsoft enthusiast , he put pictures on his facebook about MADem Feb 2014 #2
Who cares what a kid put on his facebook? rdharma Feb 2014 #3
Diosdado Cabello, apparently. nt MADem Feb 2014 #4
I have no effin' idea what you are talking about! rdharma Feb 2014 #5
Read the OP. Stop being deliberately obtuse. It's not cute nor clever. nt MADem Feb 2014 #6
I read the OP....... trying to understand the point you're trying to make. rdharma Feb 2014 #7
Now you're just trolling, goading and baiting. nt MADem Feb 2014 #8
No. I think YOU are! rdharma Feb 2014 #11
I see the problem. MADem Feb 2014 #12
Actually, I read very well! rdharma Feb 2014 #15
No, you don't. You've demonstrated that here, on this thread. MADem Feb 2014 #16
No. I think I'll stay and point out your BS! rdharma Feb 2014 #17
Name calling won't get you anywhere, either. MADem Feb 2014 #19
No "name calling" here. rdharma Feb 2014 #21
Accusing someone of BSing is name calling. MADem Feb 2014 #22
Sorry! Less than accurate? Misleading? rdharma Feb 2014 #24
More trolling. nt MADem Feb 2014 #26
No. More avoiding the question ..... on your part. nt rdharma Feb 2014 #29
What question? MADem Feb 2014 #31
Hope you packed a few snacks, that could take a lot of time, you know. Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #53
Love that a certain poster here wants an apology. Mika Feb 2014 #70
You are a living proof ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #10
LOL spanza Feb 2014 #65
Tal cual ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #69
He's trying to prove which side he's on - the side of U.S. sponsored coups nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #55
By disavowing Cabello's lie about a dead kid? joshcryer Feb 2014 #60
No, I don't think this is nonsense GP6971 Feb 2014 #52
They only see what they chose to see. This doesn't even exist in their narrow-minds. nt ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #81
Did you at least understand Cabello's lie? ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #9
Cabello's lie rdharma Feb 2014 #13
Don't change ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #14
I won't ....... rdharma Feb 2014 #18
I know ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #43
Cabello claimed kid shooting airsoft guns = paramilitary. joshcryer Feb 2014 #59
Here's the whole show on youtube, 34:30 on about Marquez ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #20
about 36:10 he says the deceased is receiving paramilitary training and says its no lie then Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #33
Please explain why you posted this pic....... rdharma Feb 2014 #23
Ok ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #25
What's the point of your picture? rdharma Feb 2014 #27
Do you mean ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #30
He thinks he's being "cute," but all he's doing is bumping your thread. MADem Feb 2014 #28
yeah, I want this thread to live forever. This is great. n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #34
I have never seen anyone blatantly mock the death of someone so flagrantly on DU. MADem Feb 2014 #40
Looks like Nicolas Maduro has joined DU doesn't it? n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #45
He's probably posting from the palace--the only place where you can get uninterrupted internet MADem Feb 2014 #49
I've never seen someone respond with literally nothing so much. joshcryer Feb 2014 #62
Definitely "under the bridge" commentary...! nt MADem Feb 2014 #63
This perfectly shows how radical extremes analyze situations spanza Feb 2014 #68
do you feeling like banging your head against the wall dlwickham Feb 2014 #37
Sometimes, both! MADem Feb 2014 #42
you just want to reach through the screen and slap them upside the head dlwickham Feb 2014 #47
By his words we're certainly getting to know him.... MADem Feb 2014 #51
Please explain what YOU think that picture shows. Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #39
It's the pic Cabello used to claim that kid was a paramilitary. joshcryer Feb 2014 #61
And still no answer...... rdharma Feb 2014 #32
Grow up and stop mocking the murder of a young man. MADem Feb 2014 #35
What are you talking about? rdharma Feb 2014 #36
What is wrong with all the links in the OP? Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #41
yes, everyone please see post 20 and then 33 for a translation of some brief snippets Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #44
I hope the admins take note of your conduct. nt MADem Feb 2014 #46
You mean besides the ones provided to you several times? smokey775 Mar 2014 #78
I wouldn't doubt his sincerity ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #38
Playing Air Tag? rdharma Feb 2014 #48
Honestly, quit whilst you're behind. Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #54
no no, he does know that's what the gun is and that makes this even worse Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #56
thanks for the video showing the blatant lies of God-given Hair Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #50
Dang! Even the regime supporters in this thread seem as desperate as the Maduristas Marksman_91 Feb 2014 #57
rdharma "not understanding" OP is blatantly transparent. joshcryer Feb 2014 #58
chavismo=lies back on top n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #79
may this thread live in eternity as a monument to the deceit of the Ven leaders Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #64
Diosdado Cabello is the most powerful man of the regime spanza Feb 2014 #66
This thread is ANTHROPOLOGICAL! nt spanza Feb 2014 #67
kicking my favorite thread showing the deceit of chavistas for the world to see n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #71
rise again, video shows Diosdado Cabello lying accusing man killed by NG of being paramiltary Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #72
back on top n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #73
see Diosdado Cabello lie in OP n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #74
blatant Ven government lies back on top n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #75
Diodado Cabello "The Frank Underwood of Venezuela" :) spanza Mar 2014 #76
thanks, this thread should be kept alive to show the utter deception of chavistas Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #77
remember this thread? n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #80
Diosdado Cabello chavista pig liar n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #82
someone is saying that the chavistas don't lie so time to bring this back up front n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #83
Cabello got a reward for this: he will preside Maduro's Commission of "Truth"! ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #84
"Maduros's Commission of Truth". uncommonlink Mar 2014 #85

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. It makes complete sense--the kid was an airsoft enthusiast , he put pictures on his facebook about
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:32 PM
Feb 2014

a tournament he was in, playing with toy guns, and DC tried to insinuate that the pictures were of the kid getting "paramilitary training" in USA.

He was kicked to death at a demo.

Reading is Fundamental. What he was trying to say, he said.

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
5. I have no effin' idea what you are talking about!
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:40 PM
Feb 2014

Enlighten us, please. Otherwise..... it's just nonsense.

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
7. I read the OP....... trying to understand the point you're trying to make.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:45 PM
Feb 2014

Do you even have a point?

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
11. No. I think YOU are!
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:55 PM
Feb 2014

I see pictures of some stupid paint ballers or airsoft "commandos"...... and some claim that one of them was targeted by the Venezuelan security forces.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. No, you don't. You've demonstrated that here, on this thread.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:06 PM
Feb 2014

Now run along and have one of those nice days.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. Name calling won't get you anywhere, either.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:11 PM
Feb 2014

Keep adding to your reputation with your trollish goading and baiting. People do notice this kind of thing, you know.

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
21. No "name calling" here.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:16 PM
Feb 2014

Just asking for clarification of your claims (that I don't believe).

Isn't that fair?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
22. Accusing someone of BSing is name calling.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:18 PM
Feb 2014

What would be "fair" is your apology for being a jerk, to me and the OP.

Your halfassed disruption of this thread is one for the record books.

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
24. Sorry! Less than accurate? Misleading?
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:24 PM
Feb 2014

Oh, crap! It's just plain BS! No other way to express it!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. What question?
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:33 PM
Feb 2014

The only question here is how much longer you will continue to humiliate yourself, trolling a post about a young man who was murdered for the crime of demonstrating in VZ.

You think it's funny, and that says a lot about you.

None of it good.

But hey, keep kicking the thread. The page views go up and up, the more you troll.

Judi Lynn

(160,586 posts)
53. Hope you packed a few snacks, that could take a lot of time, you know.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:23 PM
Feb 2014

They've flung it everywhere, it seems.

They won't ever persuade any sober people to back their cause. That just won't happen. The people who agree with them are NOT any part of the majority, the actual human people of the world.

GP6971

(31,184 posts)
52. No, I don't think this is nonsense
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:15 PM
Feb 2014

I think you're missing the point of the OP. A person was killed.......that's OK with you?

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
9. Did you at least understand Cabello's lie?
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:49 PM
Feb 2014

He said Marquez was a right-wing paramilitary on a mission to kill the president when, in fact, he was a simple demonstrator. Cabello also said that Marquez was certainly killed by his own paraco (comprendes paraco?) friends. But nothing is true. Two GNB (Guardia Nacional Bolivariana, you're welcome) were seen kicking him in the head while he was lying on the floor. They kicked him so badly that he went into a coma. 4 days after, he died. Ya entendiste? Sorry my English papá...

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
59. Cabello claimed kid shooting airsoft guns = paramilitary.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:55 AM
Feb 2014

How hard is this to understand? Seriously. I'm beyond words right now.

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
20. Here's the whole show on youtube, 34:30 on about Marquez
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:14 PM
Feb 2014

We present you "Hitting with the Sledgehammer" by the President of Venezuela's National Assembly, Diosdado Cabello.



Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
33. about 36:10 he says the deceased is receiving paramilitary training and says its no lie then
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:35 PM
Feb 2014

its certain. He goes onto show some more pics of paint ballers saying they are receiving paramilitary training. at 37:15 he shows the pic in the OP. He says his friends in the photo were the ones who killed him. Calls them mercenaries blah. at about 38:55 he then goes to say he received the training in the US.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. He thinks he's being "cute," but all he's doing is bumping your thread.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:29 PM
Feb 2014

He just made it hit DU "milestones."

The page views will increase exponentially as it gets more visibility, and people will also see what a troll looks like...!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
40. I have never seen anyone blatantly mock the death of someone so flagrantly on DU.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:44 PM
Feb 2014

This is probably one of the skeeviest stunts I've seen on this board, ever. That young man had a family, and he was killed for the crime of demonstrating. And then, the president of the national assembly takes his photos of him playing--frigging PLAYING--with his friends and tries to turn them into something nefarious.

A smartass here thinks it is funny to play games with that. Says a lot... this guy isn't much of a progressive. I think this kind of conduct is well outside even the LOWEST standards of this board, but that's JMO.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. He's probably posting from the palace--the only place where you can get uninterrupted internet
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:58 PM
Feb 2014

in VZ these days.

That poster should be ashamed of himself. Mocking the death of an innocent demonstrator is below the bottom rung. Like I said elsewhere, I hope the admins take note--this isn't about "discussion," it's about trolling.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
62. I've never seen someone respond with literally nothing so much.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:58 AM
Feb 2014

All he's doing is responding with "it doesn't make sense."

It's fucked up.

spanza

(507 posts)
68. This perfectly shows how radical extremes analyze situations
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:16 AM
Feb 2014

Welcome to Venezuela where this thread is always on.

And it works exactly the same!

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
37. do you feeling like banging your head against the wall
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:40 PM
Feb 2014

lord people are either stupid or just pains in the ass

MADem

(135,425 posts)
51. By his words we're certainly getting to know him....
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:06 PM
Feb 2014

Certainly not the model of a positive, engaged DUer....he's most certainly a "luck pusher" and his horse has left the barn on this piece of the TOS:


Don't do anything else which is similarly disruptive.
Just because it isn't listed here, doesn't mean it's ok. If you post anything which is obviously disruptive, malicious, or repugnant to this community, its members, or its values, you risk being in violation of these Terms of Service.


Snarking about the death of a young man in a deliberately obtuse manner is pretty repugnant in my book.

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
39. Please explain what YOU think that picture shows.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:43 PM
Feb 2014

This should be quite the Rorschach test.

What do YOU see when you look at that photo?

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
32. And still no answer......
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:34 PM
Feb 2014

....... you think the thread count is to your advantage?

Exposure of the BS is NOT to your advantage.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. Grow up and stop mocking the murder of a young man.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:39 PM
Feb 2014

Your conduct is despicable.

And you're proud of it, which says so much about you.

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
41. What is wrong with all the links in the OP?
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:45 PM
Feb 2014

And in Post 20?

Everyone else understands the OP. So far, only you are having a problem.

Why is that, I wonder?

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
44. yes, everyone please see post 20 and then 33 for a translation of some brief snippets
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:50 PM
Feb 2014

that's post 20 where the head of the Venezuela national assembly is saying a paint baller is receiving paramilitary training in the US. The protester was killed by the Ven national guard

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
54. Honestly, quit whilst you're behind.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:49 PM
Feb 2014

If you don't know an Airsoft gun when you see one, it's best to just not say anything.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
56. no no, he does know that's what the gun is and that makes this even worse
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:41 AM
Feb 2014

for him, and more amusing for me.

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
57. Dang! Even the regime supporters in this thread seem as desperate as the Maduristas
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:15 AM
Feb 2014

Now they're just blatantly trolling? I expect the ban hammer to fall upon that sociopath soon enough.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
58. rdharma "not understanding" OP is blatantly transparent.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:53 AM
Feb 2014

How could anyone act as if OP isn't making sense? It's ... I don't even know.

I guess that's the new tactic, act like someone isn't coherent, isn't making sense.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
64. may this thread live in eternity as a monument to the deceit of the Ven leaders
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:46 AM
Feb 2014

and chavista supporters.

spanza

(507 posts)
66. Diosdado Cabello is the most powerful man of the regime
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:05 AM
Feb 2014

This really shows how PSUV "public" media work.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
72. rise again, video shows Diosdado Cabello lying accusing man killed by NG of being paramiltary
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:59 PM
Mar 2014

when he was actually playing paint ball

spanza

(507 posts)
76. Diodado Cabello "The Frank Underwood of Venezuela" :)
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:06 AM
Mar 2014

Behind the daily scenes of anti-government protests, another power struggle is underway.

Meet Diosdado Cabello: Venezuela’s National Assembly chief, vice president of the ruling United Socialist Party, and ruthless pragmatist par excellence. If the makers of House of Cards are looking to expand the franchise south, they should get to know Venezuela’s Frank Underwood.

In recent weeks, Venezuela’s political crisis—mass protests in response to a flailing economy, rampant scarcities, soaring crime, and ideological polarization—has been portrayed in international media primarily as a struggle between a monolithic government and the embattled remnants of the nation’s traditional middle class. But this narrative is superficial; several storylines, both personal and social, are playing out below the surface. And these include a bitter clash between Hugo Chávez’s successor and almost-successor for the soul of his party and the future of the country.

For one party in this clash, President Nicolás Maduro, Venezuela’s unrest has been deeply damaging. He is under fire for his ready reliance on state violence in dealing with unarmed demonstrators, which has left 18 people dead. In public appearances, he seems increasingly exhausted and more than a little unhinged.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/03/the-frank-underwood-of-venezuela/284259/

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
77. thanks, this thread should be kept alive to show the utter deception of chavistas
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 10:42 AM
Mar 2014

Their supporters here use similar tactics.

 

uncommonlink

(261 posts)
85. "Maduros's Commission of Truth".
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:26 AM
Mar 2014

Now there's an oxymoron if I ever saw one!

Here's a guy who wouldn't know the truth if it walked up and punched him in the mouth.

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