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polly7

(20,582 posts)
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:47 AM Jan 2015

Thousands March in Caracas to Commemorate Fall of Dictator

By LUCAS KOERNER
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Perez Jimenez

Caracas, January 23, 2015 (Venezuelanalysis.com) – On Friday, thousands took to the streets of the Venezuelan capital to commemorate the 57th anniversary of the toppling of the Pérez Jiménez dictatorship as well as to voice their support for the government of President Nicolás Maduro in the face of economic war and political destabilization.

Setting out in the morning from Plaza Fabricio Ojeda in the historic 23 de Enero neighborhood, a combative barrio itself named after the date of Pérez Jiménez’s ousting, the march concluded in the Plaza O’Leary in El Calvario, where the President spoke and led a spirited rally, amidst a sea of red banners.

Shortages and the “Economic War”

Friday’s march comes in the midst of severe inflation and widespread shortages of basic goods, which President Maduro has termed an “economic war” that is reportedly being waged against the Bolivarian government by elements of the opposition. The President accused distributors of hoarding everyday products and presented them with an ultimatum to cooperate or face “tough measures.”


Carlos Martínez, 30, of La Parroquía Sucre, similarly notes the gravity of the current political and economic situation: “The economic war is affecting us. This is a small group of bourgeois who control the economic market of the country. It’s a real monster we’re fighting. we want to make it so the people can produce our own resources and we don’t depend on the monopolies.”

Despite these immense challenges, many like Francine Montorola are nevertheless optimistic: “We are conscious that we are at war, but we’re going to come out victorious,” she said. “We know who our enemies are, and we are organizing ourselves and struggling to come out of this. These are difficult moments, but no one said people’s struggle was easy."



Commemorating the Fall of the Dictatorship and the Martyrs of Democracy

The 23rd of January is an historic date in which Venezuelans annually take to the streets to honor those fallen in the struggle against the Péres Jiménez dictatorship. However, for the thousands assembled in El Calvario on Friday, the 23rd of January is also a date which commemorates the more than 5000 revolutionaries assassinated by the governments that succeeded Pérez Jiménez during Venezuela’s 40-year long era of “pacted democracy,” known as the Fourth Republic, which only came to a close with Hugo Chávez’s election in 1998. A significant proportion of these political killings occurred during the 1989 rebellion by the popular classes against neoliberal austerity measures, known as the Caracazo, in which as many as 3,000 people were gunned down by the Venezuelan army.

Nonetheless, for those attending Friday’s march, this commemoration is anything but merely historical, but, on the contrary, has real implications for the present conjuncture. For Antonia Díaz, 40, the stakes are high: “If we allow this revolution to be lost, the same people [in power] during those years [of dictatorship] will come after us, the people, of Chávez…We will defend this process to the death.”


http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/11167

I can't say how nauseating it is to see economic war being waged by using food as a weapon. But, par for the course. All right-wingers everywhere are equally nauseating, imo.
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Thousands March in Caracas to Commemorate Fall of Dictator (Original Post) polly7 Jan 2015 OP
You said it! Controlling food, they hope to control the people. Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #1
Thank you for all of this! polly7 Jan 2015 #2
The lack of food is due to a lack of dollars to import it hack89 Jan 2015 #3
Do some reading. polly7 Jan 2015 #4
So you provide a link talking about how VZ is trying to fix their foreign currency allocation system hack89 Jan 2015 #6
So what, how old it is??? polly7 Jan 2015 #8
Why would companies import goods just to hoard them and lose money? hack89 Jan 2015 #12
Sorry, you're not six. polly7 Jan 2015 #13
Mine was a simple question. Why can't you answer it? hack89 Jan 2015 #14
LOL! I did answer it. Do your own homework. It's even been reduced to polly7 Jan 2015 #15
No - you did not explain why companies would import goods just to hoard them and lose money hack89 Jan 2015 #16
Answered. My suggestion is you ask a friend to help you understand simple English. nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #17
Links to a Judi Lynn word salad is not a simple answer to a simple question. hack89 Jan 2015 #18
"Somone else's posts" involve real information you can't refute. Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #19
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #21
Don't bother, hack. Marksman_91 Jan 2015 #5
I am waiting for Judi Lynn's time machine argument any second now. nt hack89 Jan 2015 #7
Trying to mock Democrats by concocting slogans to attack them isn't geared to win Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #22
It is your complete inability to provide actual evidence of current operations that we find funny hack89 Jan 2015 #23
You need some serious time to think. Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #24
How convenient for you. hack89 Jan 2015 #25
Oh, I know why! Marksman_91 Jan 2015 #26
You're a real winner, all right. Take a few years off to learn what's missing in your picture. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #28
That doesn't work. Doesn't pass the "sniff test." You'd have to have a lobotomy to swallow it. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #27
You just said you can't prove anything because the operations were covert. hack89 Jan 2015 #29
Wow. Is is fun in la la land? nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #9
I could ask you the same question. At least most credible sources support our claims, not yours n/t Marksman_91 Jan 2015 #10
lol. Your claims are the same 'claims' I argued against pre-Iraq and Libya. polly7 Jan 2015 #11
"most credible sources support our claims." Surely you didn't grasp how silly that is. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #20

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
1. You said it! Controlling food, they hope to control the people.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:00 PM
Jan 2015

Doesn't it remind you of the time George H. W. Bush's company, Bechtel bought up water rights in Bolivia through one of its subsidiaries, Aguas del Tunari, raised to price of WATER so high the poor majority were devastated, then started discussing taxing them for any water they could collect in their own rain barrels, and cisterns?

That brought on riots, naturally, and the President Hugo Banzer sent in Army snipers, and they ended up killing people who were there to protest. Blinded a young man, also, if I'm not mistaken.

There are even photos of a sniper crouched, waiting for a good shot at the people paying his salary.

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The guy in the stripes is the sniper. [/center]
The President, Hugo Banzer was a U.S.-supported monster, just like all the others who harmed the people of their countries in the Americas.

"Food as a weapon" is a good description for what has been happening. Couldn't be more correct. They plan to coerce the people into allowing them to steal the government so they can reinstate the filthy way it was run before, with no one being able to survive without ferocious daily struggle outside the tiny racist European-descended elite.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
2. Thank you for all of this!
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:05 PM
Jan 2015

I do remember a bit of how Bechtel caused misery in Bolivia, but I had no idea how much. Just completely horrible and evil. My heart breaks for these people every time I learn a bit more of what they've had to fight.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
3. The lack of food is due to a lack of dollars to import it
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:58 PM
Jan 2015

how is that the fault of anyone other than the government?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
4. Do some reading.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jan 2015
But it bears emphasizing in this respect that at least two of the protesters’ main grievances have been deliberately escalated by the oligarchic elite itself: through extensive hoarding and smuggling of consumer products (giving rise to shortages and fueling price inflation) and massive speculation on the foreign currency market (pushing down the Bolívar and feeding into further inflation). This is precisely the type of economic warfare that the US-backed Chilean opposition drew upon prior to the overthrow of Salvador Allende in 1973.


3. Venezuela’s opposition receives active support from the United States. While there is no evidence that the ongoing protests have been directly machinated by the White House or the CIA, it is publicly known that leading Venezuelan opposition groups receive millions of dollars in financial support from the US government and US-based NGOs and think tanks. In 2008, a leader of Venezuela’s student movement — which organized similar anti-Chávez protests back in 2007 — won the $500.000 Milton Friedman Award from the right-libertarian CATO Institute, which is funded by major corporate sponsors like the Koch Brothers and the Ford Foundation, headed by an “ardent devotee” of Ayn Rand, and driven by a zealous mission to defend “the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets, and peace.”

All in all, it is estimated that various “youth outreach” programs in Venezuela received at least $45 million from US sponsors. Furthermore, the Obama administration has earmarked at least $5 million to directly support Venezuela’s opposition parties through 2014 — not to mention the secret ties that undoubtedly exists between the opposition and the US intelligence community. This comes on top of the dozens of millions of dollars that have been donated to the opposition over the years. Not surprising, perhaps, given that Venezuela is sitting on top of the largest known oil reserves in the world, just around the corner from the US.


http://roarmag.org/2014/02/venezuela-protests-opposition-coup/


Monetary warfare. This started with run on the currency, the manipulation of the black market dollar, obtaining dollars at preferential price from the government under false reasons. Maduro did not hesitate: he regulated prices and changed the monetary exchange rules and 70% approved of his response.[ii]

False scarcity: A double blow of outrageous overpricing of goods plus artificial food scarcity started just as people were beginning their Christmas shopping. Wealthy merchants proceeded to hoard essential goods: corn flour, sugar, salt, cooking oil, toilet paper, etc. placing them in hidden warehouses or spirited off to Colombia through a well-planned smuggling operation. The military discovered an illegal bridge built for motorcycles that carried the smuggled goods. Thousands of bags of foodstuffs were discovered simply left rotting on Colombian byways: this was not smuggling for economic reasons, but for political reasons. The Colombian government cooperated with the Venezuelan government to stop this smuggling.


Venezuela represents the rejection of neo-liberal economics and corporate capitalism. The corrupt elite- governed Venezuela, darling of corporate capitalism, that had impoverished its own population during 40 years, is no more.

These violent tactics have no hope of succeeding because, unlike 1999, the Venezuelan people are now organized into many groups: the communal councils, the communes, the thousands of health, security, militia, sports, educational, cultural committees. The Bolivarian Revolution has fostered, not a mass of people, but an organized organic population that makes decisions about its living conditions along with its government because Venezuela is now a fully functioning participatory democracy.


https://www.popularresistance.org/is-us-supporting-oligarch-coup-attempt-in-venezuela/


hack89

(39,171 posts)
6. So you provide a link talking about how VZ is trying to fix their foreign currency allocation system
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jan 2015

because importers are complaining that there are not enough dollars. And this proves me wrong how?

The fact that there is a thriving black market in dollars is a sign of how unrealistic the official exchange rate is.

The simple fact of the matter is that there are not enough dollars and the dollars they do have are not being allocated in an efficient manner. Your article is over a year old and things have not gotten better. You can blame hoarding if you want but at some point that argument runs out of gas - the government has had over a year to fix that problem. Logic dictates that hoarding should not be an issue anymore simply because business cannot get the dollars they need to import food (which they would then hoard for some reason). Why would they go through the trouble of importing goods if they don't plan to sell them - not only do they lose money because they have to pay for storage but every day they lose money due to inflation.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
8. So what, how old it is???
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jan 2015

It's still going on, go you really think these attempts to bring down the democratically elected gov't have stopped? That's hilarious.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
12. Why would companies import goods just to hoard them and lose money?
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 01:07 PM
Jan 2015

care to answer that simple question?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
13. Sorry, you're not six.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110836518

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110836519

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110836519

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110836262

You can read and learn just as well as anyone else here. Dozens of other articles explaining it if you still can't grasp it ....... as well as the history of economic terrorism and food and water used as weapons to bring about 'protests' and coups in other LA countries. It's not that difficult. Really. Maybe have someone help you.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
14. Mine was a simple question. Why can't you answer it?
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jan 2015

demonstrating that you are not capable of independent thought but having to rely on someone else's posts (which you seem incapable of actually explaining in your own words) does not reflect well on you.


polly7

(20,582 posts)
15. LOL! I did answer it. Do your own homework. It's even been reduced to
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jan 2015

remedial reading in most of those articles.

Consider this educational.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
16. No - you did not explain why companies would import goods just to hoard them and lose money
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 02:08 PM
Jan 2015

wouldn't they simply not buy them in the first place?

Simple question - now try to answer it without linking to someone else's thoughts.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
18. Links to a Judi Lynn word salad is not a simple answer to a simple question.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 02:20 PM
Jan 2015

you are truly incapable of independent thought, aren't you?

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
19. "Somone else's posts" involve real information you can't refute.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:58 PM
Jan 2015

Your attempt to insult DU'ers here are completely transparent.

You have nothing real to support your right-wing comments in a Democratic zone, so you try to degrade democrats themselves.

"Does not reflect well" upon you.

Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #19)

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
5. Don't bother, hack.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jan 2015

These guys think that even when Maduro falls off his bicycle it's because the CIA deflated his wheels. Just let them live in their fantasy.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
22. Trying to mock Democrats by concocting slogans to attack them isn't geared to win
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jan 2015

with anyone but the other right-wing trolls.

As you and another appear to believe, someone pointing to conspicuous examples which have already happened is using a "time machine."

That pretty much covers an attempted ban on every bit of information based upon already completed operations cannot be used, since it's in the past already. How intelligent is that?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
23. It is your complete inability to provide actual evidence of current operations that we find funny
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jan 2015

your logic is basically that because we did something bad decades ago we are doing something bad right now.

You are the one inferring that a Democratic president is continuing to carry out the same policies as Nixon and Bush. And you see nothing wrong with that.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
24. You need some serious time to think.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jan 2015

Everyone knows illegal, immoral operations being carried out COVERTLY in the present remain covert. It has always been that way.

If they weren't things the world would not tolerate, if it had a choice, they would not be done COVERTLY.

Your claim a Democratic President would not do these things is hilarious. You appear unaware of what just happened on his watch in 2009 in Honduras. Even his own ambassador sent it in one of his messages which has been made public property that the coup was a military coup, and illegal.

The real "we" at DU read this long ago and have discussed it repeatedly.

To the real "we" at DU, if you have any doubts whatsoever regarding what you see in any of these posts, please do yourself a favor and start looking through the available information, online, and in books, magazines, etc. You will be able to get to the answers with effort.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
25. How convenient for you.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:59 PM
Jan 2015

You can't prove anything because it is covert so we have to believe you because .... why exactly?

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
26. Oh, I know why!
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 10:35 PM
Jan 2015

Because "IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE UNDER A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PRESIDENT DURING THE COLD WAR" There, that's it, nothing else needed to support the claims. I win

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
27. That doesn't work. Doesn't pass the "sniff test." You'd have to have a lobotomy to swallow it. n/t
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 11:16 PM
Jan 2015

hack89

(39,171 posts)
29. You just said you can't prove anything because the operations were covert.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 11:20 PM
Jan 2015

not backing away from that statement are you?

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
10. I could ask you the same question. At least most credible sources support our claims, not yours n/t
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 01:00 PM
Jan 2015

polly7

(20,582 posts)
11. lol. Your claims are the same 'claims' I argued against pre-Iraq and Libya.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jan 2015

Don't worry, many of us here know just how valid they are.

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