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Mika

(17,751 posts)
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 07:22 PM Feb 2015

Florida’s lopsided Cuban embrace



Florida’s lopsided Cuban embrace

The warming of U.S. relations with Cuba would appear to be uniquely good for Florida. It is the state closest to Cuba, with the country’s largest Cuban population and the longest history of trade and immigration with the island nation. But it also faces major obstacles in reviving this legacy.

Two cities, Miami and Tampa, show why. For one, uncompromising opposition in Miami, especially among elderly exiles with undying hatred for Fidel Castro and Raúl Castro, remains strong, although it is lessening among the younger generations. Eased travel restrictions have allowed Cuban-Americans to visit family on the island for some time now, but resistance continues: In April 2012 arsonists struck the Coral Gables office of Airline Brokers, the principal conduit for such travel. Many Miami politicians, including Sen. Marco Rubio, continue to strongly oppose improved relations.

On the other side of the state in Tampa resides a less well-known Cuban community with very different origins and long-held dreams of reopening relations with the island. Although both Tampa and Miami have large ports, prospects for business with Cuba are obstructed by a handful of powerful Cuban exiles who wield outsize political influence. It is thus other ports and cities with far less connection to Cuba that stand to reap the largest benefits of the countries’ changing relationship.

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Judi Lynn

(160,649 posts)
1. We remember Tampa former mayor, Dick Greco, and his trip to Cuba.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:20 AM
Feb 2015

Also recall the loud, stupid backlash when he got back, which he couldn't have been expecting.

Had no idea why that happened until after reading your article. Jeb Bush and his "exile" posse have very powerful tentacles, don't they?

It would be excellent learning which scary "exile" was the one Jeb Bush sent to deliver the message to him.

Hope Tampa Cubans will get stronger and stronger, eventually. They sound like an outstanding bunch of people.

Lots of great information in your article. Thank you, Mika.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
2. Although Miami is the natural gateway to Cuba
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 06:06 PM
Feb 2015

My guess is Tampa will be way ahead of this city on this. They will probably host the Cuban consulate, use their Port to expand trade, and promote vacations to both places when the travel ban/embargo are lifted. Although more and more Cubans in Miami favor normalization, this shift is not at all evident when it comes to politics. Everyone from the City Council to the Mayor and probably the dog-catcher favor the embargo. Until the right-wing thugs either die-off or start losing elections, Miami will continue to lose out on the benefits of trade with Cuba.

Judi Lynn

(160,649 posts)
3. Have heard since around 2000 that Tampa has been wanting to restart their former ferry service
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 06:58 PM
Feb 2015

between Tampa and Cuba.

That could be tremendous for a great many people.

Tampa seems far more civilized regarding Cuba matters in general.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
6. Yep, Key West as well wants to re-link with Cuba.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:58 AM
Feb 2015

The Mayor of Jacksonville recently came out against the embargo, too, wanting to use the Port there to trade with Cuba. Funny how just about every city in Florida wants to restart relations, except the one that would benefit the most.

flamingdem

(39,332 posts)
4. What have you heard about the consulate being in Tampa?
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 10:06 PM
Feb 2015

Interesting. Though the issue seems to be that there's not much that Tampa has to trade with Cuba. Miami yes.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
5. Rep. Kathy Castor, who represents Tampa, is pushing for it to be re-opened
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:56 AM
Feb 2015

It used to be the site of the consulate before 1961, so it wouldn't really be something new. The lowlife Mayor of Miami already says he would fight against it, not that he would have any legal say in the matter, but i imagine he would try to get the agitators/terrorists fired up about it. Here's a couple articles on the subject.

http://tbo.com/news/politics/warming-cuba-relations-may-bring-consulate-back-20150201/
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/14/377122732/miami-rejects-hosting-cuban-consulate-but-tampa-wants-it

On trade, Miami would of course be the larger, natural market, but i foresee a lot of roadblocks being put up by the local politicians, so some companies might want to go to friendlier territory to get their Cuba business operations in gear, of course Ft. Lauderdale could be that place as well.

flamingdem

(39,332 posts)
7. Very, very interesting. Tampa better go all out right now
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:08 AM
Feb 2015

I noticed that Kathy Castor is very dynamic on Cuba. Good for her and others with open minds in Tampa.

Didn't know the mayor of Miami was such an idiot!

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
8. Castor is awesome.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:28 AM
Feb 2015

She's the only member of the Florida delegation who supports lifting the embargo, and the only one that has actually traveled to Cuba. Even usually progressive congress people like Alan Grayson support the embargo. He lost my respect after that.

flamingdem

(39,332 posts)
9. Grayson needs to get a clue
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:44 AM
Feb 2015

like Bill Nelson and Debbie Wasserman Schulz. Their leader wants an opening, they need to support him even if it means a loss of Cuban finance dollars, hah.

DWS is one thing but I didn't know Alan was on the take too.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
10. 'Fraid so.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:52 AM
Feb 2015
http://www.wmfe.org/grayson-talks-cuba-wages-ahead-of-state-of-the-union/

“I’m concerned that I see the carrot and not the stick. I don’t see what kind of punishment will be left to inflict on the Cuban regime if it maintains its dictatorial ways and continues to deny, particularly younger Cubans, the opportunities they would have if they lived in a country that functions as a part of the real world,” says Grayson.

He says the U.S. needs to set deadlines for Cuba before the embargo is lifted. Without an amended plan, he says the embargo has a zero-percent chance of being lifted by Congress."

Bill Nelson actually came out in support of Obama's changes, but he still resists lifting the embargo. They all know its the right thing to do, but that PAC money is just too much for them to resist. Disgusting.
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