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Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 09:22 AM Apr 2015

Venezuela's shortages could lead to a humanitarian crisis

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-32357849

Venezuela has the biggest oil reserves in the world, yet its economy is in crisis.

Widespread shortages and spiralling inflation are fuelling popular discontent, President Maduro blames the fall in oil prices and interference from the US.

Last month tensions rose further when President Obama imposed economic sanctions against seven Venezuelan officials.

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Venezuela's shortages could lead to a humanitarian crisis (Original Post) Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 OP
Well, they should just elect leaders the US likes and "suggests" Problem solved. libdem4life Apr 2015 #1
They should get rid of the current leadership for sure nt Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #2
Last I checked, they were a soveriegn nation. And sanctions? Just makes people libdem4life Apr 2015 #3
The sanctions were on 7 specific individuals for their alleged responsibility cheapdate Apr 2015 #5
How can they solve their own problems when the US is at the ready to "intervene"? libdem4life Apr 2015 #6
The U.S. has practically no control over any decisions, policies, laws, or programs cheapdate Apr 2015 #7
"They need to..." Not. It's not our call, frankly, what laws they pass or break. libdem4life Apr 2015 #8
Maybe halt trade with them? The US is Venezuela's largest trading partner nt Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #10
For what, exactly? Not liking who they elected? Seems they are talking pretty libdem4life Apr 2015 #12
what do you mean get out of South America then? They need the money from China Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #15
US and China about the same for imports. Even so, I don't see China sanctioning them. libdem4life Apr 2015 #16
China doesn't care about corruption and abuse in Venezuela Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #18
That is true. Neither do I. But still, no one has told me Why? We haven't sanctioned libdem4life Apr 2015 #19
Well, Venezuela has incessantly accused the US for their self-inflicted problems Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #20
Yeah, Obama surprised a lot of people...some of us pleasantly surprised. Progress. libdem4life Apr 2015 #21
Of course it's not my "call". cheapdate Apr 2015 #22
Sorry, I mean the "our" as in US...certainly not us. libdem4life Apr 2015 #24
And "they need to get their shit together" exactly why? They've been around a lot libdem4life Apr 2015 #9
The US was established decades before Venezuela nt Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #11
Whoa there, in link below "Christopher Columbus was the 3rd to visit Venezuela." libdem4life Apr 2015 #13
So? there were native americans in what is the US now too. The US was established as a country Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #14
Oh, I see. The piece of paper...not the people or the culture. Got it. libdem4life Apr 2015 #17
Why? Because they have serious problems of governance and public policy that cheapdate Apr 2015 #23
That is pretty much true of most of the Americas, US included. Just read this board. I just pretty libdem4life Apr 2015 #25
What?!? Venezuela has the first or second largest proven oil reserves in the world. cheapdate Apr 2015 #27
I think he is saying that the OTHER governments in the region don't have the oil we want Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #28
Maduro needs to take the gloves off mwrguy Apr 2015 #4
If you really think that that is what's causing COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #26
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
1. Well, they should just elect leaders the US likes and "suggests" Problem solved.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 09:27 AM
Apr 2015

Aren't we just so "human rights moguls" when we starve people to make a political point. Sanctions never hurt the upper classes, well seldom anyway. Guess who gets hurt?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
3. Last I checked, they were a soveriegn nation. And sanctions? Just makes people
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 10:06 AM
Apr 2015

more radical. Go figure.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
5. The sanctions were on 7 specific individuals for their alleged responsibility
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 11:43 AM
Apr 2015

in leading violent activities in the chaos of the last election.

The sanctions aren't on the country as a whole.

Venezuela needs to solve their own problems. They need solutions instead of excuses. The Bolivarians need to prove they're competent to govern.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
6. How can they solve their own problems when the US is at the ready to "intervene"?
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 11:58 AM
Apr 2015

They have a lot of oil. EOS. That's why were "interested". Most of SA and CA are dictatorships, some better than others and have been for centuries. And who are WE to be lecturing on free and fair elections...and buying elections...and on and on. Oh yeah, and they don't "kill their own" in death Penalties, either.

Like the "he dissed my Daddy" in Kuwait, Hugo dissed/pissed off some president and it has lingered.

"Capital punishment is not applied in the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. Venezuela was the first country still existing in the world to abolish the death penalty for all crimes, doing so by Constitution in 1863."



cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
7. The U.S. has practically no control over any decisions, policies, laws, or programs
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:11 PM
Apr 2015

of the Venezuelan state. The Venezuelan education law of a few years ago was maybe well-intentioned but it's an unworkable mess. The media law they passed is very problematic. The incompetence and corruption that has plagued many of their major state infrastructure and development projects has nothing to do with the United States.

Maduro and his party can use the U.S. as a punching bag and a scapegoat, but that's not really helping anything.

They need to get their shit together. Crime is out of control. Inflation is crushing. Etc.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
8. "They need to..." Not. It's not our call, frankly, what laws they pass or break.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:19 PM
Apr 2015

If the US would get out of the South Americas, they would work together ultimately...or not, but we need things they have, so we meddle, interfere, replace regimes, et al. They just happen to have a lot of oil. Their "dysfunctional" ways have worked for centuries. We have a lot of back yard cleaning up to do, as well.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
12. For what, exactly? Not liking who they elected? Seems they are talking pretty
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:33 PM
Apr 2015

seriously to China. Again, we are not their "betters". We trade with all manner of folk...including the Saudis. But we Love them. I'll bet Venezuela women can drive cars and I know they don't have to cover up their heads...and I could go on.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
15. what do you mean get out of South America then? They need the money from China
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:42 PM
Apr 2015

Venezuela can talk to China all they want. They have to give them oil as repayment for loans.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
16. US and China about the same for imports. Even so, I don't see China sanctioning them.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:58 PM
Apr 2015

In fact, and I could be mistaken, we're the only "democratic" country who places trade sanctions on people, mostly brown skinned, we don't like who they voted for. (others white folk certainly line up behind the Emperor...us)

Here are some facts https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/ven/

I just don't get the Venezuela pissing contest here.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/venezuelas-maduro-announces-20-billion-in-new-bilateral-agreements-with-china-1420656259

And we slap silly sanctions.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
18. China doesn't care about corruption and abuse in Venezuela
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 03:00 PM
Apr 2015

they care about getting oil. The only sanctions are against 7 individuals the US has identified as criminals.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
19. That is true. Neither do I. But still, no one has told me Why? We haven't sanctioned
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 03:07 PM
Apr 2015

Saudi Arabia and other dictatorships? And "only 7 individuals", how thoughtful of us. I imagine they are in government. We who are close to being an Oligarchy ourselves and have little room to be judging or lecturing or sanctioning others.

Also, I respect the opportunity for exchange of ideas, BTW.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
20. Well, Venezuela has incessantly accused the US for their self-inflicted problems
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 03:45 PM
Apr 2015

so if they want to play that game, it shouldn't be much of a surprise that the US would respond.

I understand that labeling Venezuela a security threat backfired somewhat but little gift to Maduro has run its course politically for Maduro.

The US-Cuba rapprochement was what the summit will be remembered for to the chagrin of the Ven government and their supporters who wanted the US to come out looking bad. Nicolas never got to give Obama the signatures.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
22. Of course it's not my "call".
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:18 PM
Apr 2015

I have exactly zero influence over Venezuelan politics.

This is a discussion forum, correct? Where users offer opinions on various topics? Is that how this works, or am I mistaken?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
9. And "they need to get their shit together" exactly why? They've been around a lot
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:24 PM
Apr 2015

longer than the US. I'm sick and tired of being The Empire Policeman with over 800 military bases all over the world and nation-shaming those we want something from. That costs us half of our taxes, if not more. And where do we cut taxes when we do, oh right. OUR poor and needy, which leads to crime and de facto inflation, i.e. poverty.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
14. So? there were native americans in what is the US now too. The US was established as a country
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:40 PM
Apr 2015

decades before Venezul3a.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
17. Oh, I see. The piece of paper...not the people or the culture. Got it.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 01:09 PM
Apr 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Venezuela

Still irrelevant to the fact that the US is not the Emperor of the Globe...and we unite people against us when we pull out the Power Card.


cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
23. Why? Because they have serious problems of governance and public policy that
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:19 PM
Apr 2015

affect the lives of Venezuelans. You can label it "nation shaming" to talk about those problems openly, but I don't think that's going to help.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
25. That is pretty much true of most of the Americas, US included. Just read this board. I just pretty
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:28 PM
Apr 2015

much don't think it's crucial to anything. The US will give them money/trade/whatever if they like the Head of State. If not, the US will try and change it.,..regime change...sanctions...rinse and repeat. I just don't get why little bitty Venezuela gets so much flack. There are certainly much worse governments down there. They just don't have the oil we want.

Oh, and they have Leftist leaders...tut tut.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
27. What?!? Venezuela has the first or second largest proven oil reserves in the world.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:52 PM
Apr 2015

Citgo gasoline is part of the Venezuelan state-owned oil company.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
28. I think he is saying that the OTHER governments in the region don't have the oil we want
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:52 AM
Apr 2015

although Ecuador is part of OPEC and Colombia exports some oil too. However, the reality is that the US is Venezuela's largest trading partner mostly because of the oil we purchase, and the food they purchase.

Maduro is upset at the US not because we aren't buying enough of it, but because the US is now producing too much according to Maduro which has helped lower prices for the American consumer, but has caused great difficulty for Venezuela.

The argument that "we want their oil" is old and stupid. We already buy and refine their oil.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
26. If you really think that that is what's causing
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:36 PM
Apr 2015

Venezuela's economic meltdown, I've got a Pacific Island in Kansas I'd like to sell you.

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