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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:10 AM Jun 2015

EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton sold out Honduras: Lanny Davis, corporate cash, and the real story about

Monday, Jun 8, 2015 04:58 AM CDT

EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton sold out Honduras: Lanny Davis, corporate cash, and the real story about the death of a Latin America democracy

Want to know why Clinton's State Dept. failed to help an electe leader? Follow the money and stench of Lanny Davis
Matthew Pulver

Former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley, considered by some to be the only real threat to Hillary Clinton, has joined Sen. Bernie Sanders to be the only two challengers to the former secretary of state. Republicans, whose seemingly limitless field seems poised for a “Hunger Games”-esque cage match, worry that a Clinton cakewalk through the primaries will leave her relatively unscathed in the general election against a beaten and beleaguered GOP nominee whose every foible will have been exposed.

And yet for some reason, GOP candidates lob tired Benghazi charges at the presumptive Democratic nominee during the short breaks in infighting. The issue only really excites the GOP base, and it’s highly unlikely that after almost three years of pounding the issue the tactic will work. Plus, House Republicans’ own two-year investigation into the attack absolved Clinton’s State Department of the worst GOP allegations, giving her something of her own “please proceed, Governor” arrow in the quiver if she is attacked from that angle. It’s the SCUD missile of political attacks when there are laser-guided Tomahawks in the arsenal.

Republicans really hit on something when they started making noise about the Clintons’ relationship with foreign governments, CEOs and corporations, following the lead set by Peter Schweizer’s bestselling “Clinton Cash.” Cross-ideological ears perked up to rumored quid pro quos arranged while Hillary was atop State and Bill was out glad-handing global elites. Even liberals and progressives paid attention when the discussion turned to the Clintons and international elites making backroom, under-the-table deals at what Schweizer calls “the ‘wild west’ fringe of the global economy.”

Though it’s less sexy than Benghazi, the crisis following a coup in Honduras in 2009 has Hillary Clinton’s fingerprints all over it, and her alleged cooperation with oligarchic elites during the affair does much to expose Clinton’s newfound, campaign-season progressive rhetoric as hollow. Moreover, the Honduran coup is something of a radioactive issue with fallout that touches many on Team Clinton, including husband Bill, once put into a full context.

More:
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/08/exclusive_hillary_clinton_sold_out_honduras_lanny_davis_corporate_cash_and_the_real_story_about_the_death_of_a_latin_america_democracy/

Good reads:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016124143

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EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton sold out Honduras: Lanny Davis, corporate cash, and the real story about (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2015 OP
The two faces of Hillary . n/t orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #1
It always seems to be a "hard choice" for Hillary. FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #2
How can Honduras be less sexy? No flowing Arab costumes? Demeter Jun 2015 #3
Hillary was simply furthering business interests. She was doing this to help the economy. stillwaiting Jun 2015 #4
It appears Sec. Clinton acted in support of the coup which favored the wealthy elite Sienna86 Jun 2015 #5
Color me suprised. Not. peacebird Jun 2015 #6
Why did Obama go along with this? Why didn't he pull our embassy staff too? peacebird Jun 2015 #7
Good question. n/t whathehell Jun 2015 #15
Surprised - Not cantbeserious Jun 2015 #8
Wait, what? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #9
Bernie would need to get to 35% in the polls for the media to start to take notice. Dawgs Jun 2015 #24
But I don't see how most Republicans can attack her on this easily. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #10
Yep. Right wing coups are aptly labeled /nt think Jun 2015 #12
The American people, too many of them, have permenant cataracts, pangaia Jun 2015 #13
Which explains why they are not. zeemike Jun 2015 #18
As soon as they heard about the coup, Congressional Republicans were streaking to Honduras Judi Lynn Jun 2015 #38
A snippet... peacebird Jun 2015 #11
Always a bunch of bull shit innuendo from Bernie people. upaloopa Jun 2015 #14
the "proof" is from a book written by some Breitbart talking head dlwickham Jun 2015 #16
It's from an article in Salon. A reputable non-rightwing news source. peacebird Jun 2015 #17
This article isn't from the Bernie people kenfrequed Jun 2015 #28
Dramatic license to move the narrative Babel_17 Jun 2015 #29
sure kenfrequed Jun 2015 #30
Well, you're justified in being alert to unfair standards, but ... Babel_17 Jun 2015 #32
Wtf do Bernie's people have to do with this? Did you even READ the article? Bernie or 'his people' sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #36
Inform yourself. roody Jun 2015 #39
Right Wing Attack Cryptoad Jun 2015 #19
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanny_Davis Babel_17 Jun 2015 #20
Looks like a LOT of speculation and very little, if any, real substance. George II Jun 2015 #21
I have always thought Honduras was Hillary's Waterloo Oilwellian Jun 2015 #22
Well she can always hold Libya up as a shining contrast to Honduras. Right? FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #31
or Syria! MisterP Jun 2015 #33
Didn’t Someone Once Say – “Here We Go Again???” Gamecock Lefty Jun 2015 #23
Hillary wrote about her 'hard choices' wrt to Honduras. How on earth does her own words translate sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #37
I guess we need to brace ourselves Babel_17 Jun 2015 #25
Wow, that was quick! Babel_17 Jun 2015 #26
Poorly written article kenfrequed Jun 2015 #27
K&R! marym625 Jun 2015 #34
Personal gain has always been the Clinton's playbook. Paka Jun 2015 #35

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
4. Hillary was simply furthering business interests. She was doing this to help the economy.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:00 AM
Jun 2015

The Wall Street economy that is.

Saying that she "sold out" Honduras is so déclassé.

Sienna86

(2,149 posts)
5. It appears Sec. Clinton acted in support of the coup which favored the wealthy elite
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:07 AM
Jun 2015

A review of her past actions is making it very difficult to support her.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
7. Why did Obama go along with this? Why didn't he pull our embassy staff too?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:26 AM
Jun 2015

This article is pretty damning all around.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
9. Wait, what?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:33 AM
Jun 2015
Former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley, considered by some to be the only real threat to Hillary Clinton,


Some of whom? The few percent that voted for him in various polls? If Bernie's a long shot, O'Malley's a long shot to even get close to what Bernie draws in the primaries.
 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
24. Bernie would need to get to 35% in the polls for the media to start to take notice.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jun 2015

It's disgusting, and even some on our side act like Bernie is just a nobody candidate.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
10. But I don't see how most Republicans can attack her on this easily.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:37 AM
Jun 2015

This is right in their wheelhouse, exactly the sort of thing that Republicans and warhawk Dems have done for many decades.

I can see attacks from the left on her for this sort of RW crap, but it's too transparently RW a thing to do for people to take Republicans as being anything but thoroughly hypocritical if they decry it.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
13. The American people, too many of them, have permenant cataracts,
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:02 AM
Jun 2015

in their eyes and in their brains. They won't see anything unusual.

It's all just a bug fog.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
18. Which explains why they are not.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:29 AM
Jun 2015

Not a peep out of them on that, no congressional investigation...nothing.
But why should they?...it is something they too approve of...the establishment of right wing governments in South America.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
38. As soon as they heard about the coup, Congressional Republicans were streaking to Honduras
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 03:57 AM
Jun 2015

to embrace the coup President, Roberto Goriletti Micheletti, and bag their photo ops with the man who insulted President Obama, and held him up to ridicule.

[center]

Republican Cuban "exile" Congresswolf, Ileana Ros-Lentinen celebrating their right-wing disease.



"President Micheletti"


[font size=1]
Honduras's interim President Roberto Micheletti, second from right, poses for pictures with Republican
Doug Lamborn of Colorado, left, Republican Peter Roskam of Illinois, second from left, South Carolina
Sen. Jim DeMint, third front left and Republican Aaron Schock of Illinois, after a meeting at the
presidential house in Tegucigalpa, Friday, Oct. 2, 2009. The U.S. senator and the three congressmen
met with Micheletti in defiance of official Washington policy barring contact with the architects
of the military coup that ousted the nation's president Manuel Zelaya.

[/font]

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
11. A snippet...
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:51 AM
Jun 2015

One of those strategic partners appears to have been Clinton family legal pitbull, Lanny Davis, deployed as an auxiliary weapon against the rightful, legal, democratically elected president of Honduras. Davis famously defended President Bill Clinton during his impeachment proceedings, and he’s been on Team Clinton for decades, most recently serving as a booster for Hillary’s campaign in its early days.

Davis, along with another close Clinton associate Bennett Ratcliff, launched a Washington lobbying offensive in support of the coup government and its oligarchic backers, penning a Wall Street Journal op-ed, testifying before a Congressional committee, and undoubtedly knocking on office doors on Capitol Hill, where he enjoys bipartisan connections, which valuable asset he demonstrated during his committee hearing.

“If you want to understand who the real power behind the [Honduran] coup is, you need to find out who’s paying Lanny Davis,” said Robert White, former ambassador to El Salvador, just a month after the coup. Speaking to Roberto Lovato for the American Prospect, Davis revealed who that was: “My clients represent the CEAL, the [Honduras Chapter of] Business Council of Latin America.” In other words, the oligarchs who preside over a country with a 65 percent poverty rate. The emerging understanding, that the powerful oligarchs were behind the coup, began to solidify, and the Clinton clique’s allegiances were becoming pretty clear. If you can believe it, Clinton’s team sided with the wealthy elite.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
14. Always a bunch of bull shit innuendo from Bernie people.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:12 AM
Jun 2015

There is nothing here but the same type of swift boating done to Kerry when he ran.

Bernie people should hang their heads in shame.

Show some proof show some direct evidence not innuendo!

I'll tell you this for sure. Bernie is a hell of a better person then his supporters on DU!

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
16. the "proof" is from a book written by some Breitbart talking head
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:22 AM
Jun 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schweizer

Peter Franz Schweizer (November 24, 1964) is an American author, academic, and political consultant. He is currently the president of the Government Accountability Institute (GAI), and is a former William J. Casey Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution.[1] He is also Breitbart News Senior Editor-at-Large.[2]


peacebird

(14,195 posts)
17. It's from an article in Salon. A reputable non-rightwing news source.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:22 AM
Jun 2015

“If you want to understand who the real power behind the coup is, you need to find out who’s paying Lanny Davis,” said Robert White, former ambassador to El Salvador, just a month after the coup. Speaking to Roberto Lovato for the American Prospect, Davis revealed who that was: “My clients represent the CEAL, the Business Council of Latin America.” In other words, the oligarchs who preside over a country with a 65 percent poverty rate. The emerging understanding, that the powerful oligarchs were behind the coup, began to solidify, and the Clinton clique’s allegiances were becoming pretty clear. If you can believe it, Clinton’s team sided with the wealthy elite.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
28. This article isn't from the Bernie people
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:45 AM
Jun 2015

"Former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley, considered by some to be the only real threat to Hillary Clinton..."

This is the first line in the article. I support Bernie and I would never front an article by someone that automatically discounts Sanders in the first line of the piece. That is just silly.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
29. Dramatic license to move the narrative
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:01 AM
Jun 2015

And afaik some do consider O'Malley to somehow have the "magic mix" of ingredients needed to win enough of the electoral college votes. I disagree with their assessment but there's no denying that some of the most influential people in our party think in those terms/along those lines. It's why a lot of people lined up early behind HRC, they find her very electable.
The article immediately goes on to say that O'Malley "has joined Sen. Bernie Sanders to be the only two challengers to the former secretary of state". Joined as in Sanders is already there, is how I take it.

The paragraph in full: "Former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley, considered by some to be the only real threat to Hillary Clinton, has joined Sen. Bernie Sanders to be the only two challengers to the former secretary of state. Republicans, whose seemingly limitless field seems poised for a “Hunger Games”-esque cage match, worry that a Clinton cakewalk through the primaries will leave her relatively unscathed in the general election against a beaten and beleaguered GOP nominee whose every foible will have been exposed."

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
30. sure
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:13 AM
Jun 2015

But it's dismissiveness is telling. To me it felt as though the author was only grudgingly bringing up Sanders as though they were wishing he was already gone and felt they had to pivot to the candidate of their choice.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
32. Well, you're justified in being alert to unfair standards, but ...
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jun 2015

Well, you're justified in being alert to unfair standards, but at the end of the day it boils down to the import of "considered by some to be the only real threat to Hillary Clinton". I can see it as being awkwardly inserted, and not totally relevant, but it's not a lie (though arguably misleading). And it wasn't followed by, or preceded by, anything else remotely derogatory to Sanders. As I mentioned, the piece did go on to say that O'Malley was joining Sanders in being prominent. That acknowledges Sanders being senior in prominence. As long as we're parsing.

It's a piece for an online magazine (Salon). It has to grab the reader. It was actually chock full of source material, so while it was opinionated, it was a few cuts above the run of the mill opinion pieces that try (and fail) to pass themselves off as worthy of consideration.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
36. Wtf do Bernie's people have to do with this? Did you even READ the article? Bernie or 'his people'
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 01:06 AM
Jun 2015

have zero, nothing to do with this. Hillary's supporters seem to see Bernie's people behind every story that is written about her, it's bordering on paranoia to be honest.

I haven't read the article, but the name I SEE UP FRONT in the first part of the article, is O'MALLEY. Doe HE have 'people' yet?

Please stop this, it is only turning more people against your candidate . You COULD have tried to actually read the article and refute any part of it that is incorrect.

But this constant 'it's Bernie's people' nonsense is just getting to be ridiculous, especially when right there in the article O'Malley is the one who is mentioned.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
20. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanny_Davis
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:08 AM
Jun 2015

Supported Lieberman, against a Democrat? That's his right, and it's my right, even duty, to judge candidates by who they choose as associates.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
22. I have always thought Honduras was Hillary's Waterloo
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:14 AM
Jun 2015

It was one of her "Hard Choices" that she wrote about in her latest book. How hard was it to do nothing when the right wing military coup occurred? To say she cares deeply about women and children is a fucking joke.

The chapter on Latin America, particularly the section on Honduras, a major source of the child migrants currently pouring into the United States, has gone largely unnoticed. In letters to Clinton and her successor, John Kerry, more than 100 members of Congress have repeatedly warned about the deteriorating security situation in Honduras, especially since the 2009 military coup that ousted the country’s democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya. As Honduran scholar Dana Frank points out in Foreign Affairs, the U.S.-backed post-coup government “rewarded coup loyalists with top ministries,” opening the door for further “violence and anarchy.”

The homicide rate in Honduras, already the highest in the world, increased by 50 percent from 2008 to 2011; political repression, the murder of opposition political candidates, peasant organizers and LGBT activists increased and continue to this day. Femicides skyrocketed. The violence and insecurity were exacerbated by a generalized institutional collapse. Drug-related violence has worsened amid allegations of rampant corruption in Honduras’ police and government. While the gangs are responsible for much of the violence, Honduran security forces have engaged in a wave of killings and other human rights crimes with impunity.

Despite this, however, both under Clinton and Kerry, the State Department’s response to the violence and military and police impunity has largely been silence, along with continued U.S. aid to Honduran security forces. In “Hard Choices,” Clinton describes her role in the aftermath of the coup that brought about this dire situation. Her firsthand account is significant both for the confession of an important truth and for a crucial false testimony.

First, the confession: Clinton admits that she used the power of her office to make sure that Zelaya would not return to office.
“In the subsequent days [after the coup] I spoke with my counterparts around the hemisphere, including Secretary [Patricia] Espinosa in Mexico,” Clinton writes. “We strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot.”

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslatinamericaforeignpolicy.html


The Clintons have a history of killing left wing activists and union organizers in Latin America...cue Colombia. This is one of the many reasons why Hillary doesn't deserve to be president. Her right wing foreign policy would be a disaster for Third World nations, not to mention ours.

Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
23. Didn’t Someone Once Say – “Here We Go Again???”
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:17 AM
Jun 2015

I didn’t realize my voting for Hillary was voting for an evil person. Oh my gosh, she hates Honduras. But she loves Wall Street. She hates regular people. But she loves corporate cash. She’s not trying to earn the people’s vote; she expects to be crowned Queen of the Dems.

For months the GOP has been trashing Hillary and now some Dems are too. I’m telling you folks, I’m seeing a transition here. The Sanders crowd (starting with the Liz crowd) is spending more time talking about Hillary than they are their own candidate. I’ve noticed the Hillary supporters (myself included) were kind and cordial to Sanders to start with, but the more his supporters trash Hillary, the more we rebel.

This is usually what happens in the OTHER party. Go ahead and keep it up.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
37. Hillary wrote about her 'hard choices' wrt to Honduras. How on earth does her own words translate
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 01:16 AM
Jun 2015

'Warren's crowd' or 'Bernie's people'? It appears from the article, which you apparently did not read, that it is O'Malley you might want to be railing against.

Did you read the article?

Or are you just interested in slamming two of the most progressive members of our government and their supporters, which to my knowledge has always been most Democrats.

Hillary never made a secret of her support for the Right Coup leaders of Hondurus, nor could she have because it was way too public. So she wrote a book, to EXPLAIN her reasons for doing so.

If you agree with her, which I do not and was horrified back then BEFORE THERE WERE ANY BERNIE PEOPLE, that any Democrat could have supported that illegitimate and brutal coup government. These are the policies that MUST change, and I was under the impression that Democrats agreed on that.

So do all of us a favor and stop blaming everyone else for what Hillary herself has admitted to. WE DIDN'T MAKE HER DO IT just so we could, five years later, become 'Bernie's people' and then use it against her. What a ridiculous thing to imply.

Go read the article and find out why O'Malley, not Bernie is named in the article then go blame O'Malley's people for whatever it is you are blaming everyone but the person who actually made the decisions.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
25. I guess we need to brace ourselves
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:32 AM
Jun 2015

Soon, what Sanders has said, and what he's voted for when caucusing with the Democrats in the Senate, is going to brought to public attention. The deals he's made as a Senator will get lots of attention.

Oh wait, that's a good thing.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
26. Wow, that was quick!
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:41 AM
Jun 2015

It already happened!

"Congressman John K. Delaney, what the hell are you talking about?

In a recent Washington Post op-ed piece, headlined, “The last thing America needs? A left-wing version of the Tea Party,” the Democratic congressman from Maryland scolds progressives and expresses his worry “about where some of the loudest voices in the room could take the Democratic Party.”

He writes, “Rejecting a trade agreement with Asia, expanding entitlement programs that crowd out other priorities and a desire to relitigate the financial crisis are becoming dominant positions among Democrats. Although these subjects may make for good partisan talking points, they do not provide the building blocks for a positive and bold agenda to create jobs and improve the lives of Americans.”

Rep. Delaney even implies that a freewheeling, open discussion of “these subjects” could lead to the election of a Republican president."


http://www.salon.com/2015/06/06/bernie_sanders_isnt_a_crackpot_how_democrats_can_win_big_in_2016_partner/#lf_comment=321917635

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
27. Poorly written article
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:42 AM
Jun 2015

The author is unveiling his bias by writing "Former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley, considered by some to be the only real threat to Hillary Clinton..." Has he looked at a poll.

Whatever impropriety Clinton may or may not have been involved in this reporter has an axe to grind.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
35. Personal gain has always been the Clinton's playbook.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:56 PM
Jun 2015

Why wouldn't they be on the side of the elites? Not the lack of integrity I want in a President.

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