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Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:34 AM Jul 2015

Venezuelan State Media Invented A Fake White House Staffer To Shut Down Their Critics

http://www.buzzfeed.com/willgfreeman/venezuelan-state-media-invented-a-fake-white-house-staffer-t

Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and his political allies claim to be the victims of a U.S.-sponsored campaign of diplomatic and economic aggression. Fortunately for them, a lone voice from Washington has emerged to express steadfast support for the current regime. Over the past several months, White House spokesperson Jim Luers has been quoted by everyone from Venezuela’s state-run media to members of its parliament. The only problem: He doesn’t actually exist.


Luers first captured national attention in Venezuela in late April, after three of the country’s leading independent papers republished a story from ABC, a newspaper in Spain, about the possibility that President of the National Assembly Diosdado Cabello was tied to international drug trafficking. Luers, quoted by the Caracas weekly Quinto Día as a White House spokesperson, denounced the allegations as “totally false.”

The denunciation was immediately picked up by pro-government politicians and state-run media anxious to find something on which to base their case against the media. Venezuela’s Vice Minister of Education, Rodulfo H. Peréz H., tweeted about Cabello’s unlikely new ally.

Según Jim Luers (vocero norteamericano) las acusaciones de Leamsy Salazar (traidor a la patria) contra @dcabellor son FALSAS! Pobre gente

— rodulfohumberto (@Rodulfo H. Pérez H.)
“According to Jim Luers (North American spokesperson) the accusations of Leamsy Salazar (traitor of the homeland) against Cabello are FALSE! Poor people”


VTV and AVN, two major government-owned TV channels, made the quote the centerpiece of an article titled, “White House looks down on denunciation against Cabello,” which AVN has since removed.


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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
1. Venezuelan journalists get censured because a non-existent spokesman proved them wrong?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:11 AM
Jul 2015

Quote:
"Just days later, on April 21, the National Assembly released a “report on the triangulation of the media against President of the National Assembly Diosdado Cabello” demanding the criminal prosecution of the editors who republished the original ABC story for defamation. (Cabello himself has sued the local newspapers who ran the story and has threatened to take action against ABC and media outlets in the United States.)

In the midst of the meeting focused on censuring the press for a supposed slip-up in fact checking, the report’s principal author, Earle Herrera, went as far as to praise the papers that had published Luers’ denunciation while criticizing those that hadn’t."



Oh, oh, I got it!
The fake spokesman isn't a propaganda-tool of the venezuelan regime!
He's part of a US-plot to make Venezuela look like a banana-republic where non-partisan reporting earns you jail-time!

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
3. This info is old but still applies -- just change the targets & countries to
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jul 2015

whoever the target or country is. I have many questions but the first thing I notice is this is being reported on at Miami Herald to UK International Business Times UK so I wonder.

From Inside The Company by Phillip Agee

Objective 1: Effect agent and/or technical penetrations at the highest possible
level of the Communist Party of Ecuador (PCE), the Socialist Party of Ecuador
(PSE-revolutionary), the Communist Youth of Ecuador (JCE), the Revolutionary
Union of Ecuadorean Youth (URJE) and related organizations.
Objective 2: Effect agent and/or technical penetration of the Cuban missions
in Ecuador.

PRIORITY B
Collect and report intelligence on the stability of the Ecuadorean government
and on the strength and intentions of dissident political groups.
Objective 1: Maintain agents and other sources at the highest levels of the
government, the security services and the ruling political organization.
Objective 2: Maintain agents and other sources in opposition political parties,
especially among military leaders favourable to opposition parties.

PRIORITY C
Through propaganda and psychological warfare operations: (1) disseminate
information and opinion designed to counteract anti-US or pro-communist
propaganda; (2) neutralize communist or extreme-leftist influence in principal
mass organizations or assist in establishing or maintaining alternative
organizations under non-communist leadership.
Objective 1: Place appropriate propaganda in the most effective local media.


http://www.buzzfeed.com/willgfreeman/venezuelan-state-media-invented-a-fake-white-house-staffer-t

I'm not sure what was invented or what wasn't but my search also turned up this

The Inside War
To expose torture, Dianne Feinstein fought the C.I.A.—and the White House.

<snip>
The former Secretary of State George Shultz, who has raised money for Feinstein’s campaigns from Republican friends in California, told me, “Dianne is not really bipartisan so much as nonpartisan.” Slightly formal in style, she adheres faithfully to procedure and protocol; she believes in settling disputes privately, and by argument rather than by force. Even in less than momentous situations, she is a dogged negotiator. William Luers, a former ambassador and the head of the Iran Project, recalled, “I don’t think anyone has a meeting with her where she says, ‘I’m with you all the way.’ Rather, she says, ‘I’m with you, but you have to understand under what terms.’ ”
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/22/the-inside-war

The article doesn't say a word about Venezuela but the man--whoever or however he was misrepresented--exists.

William H. Luers

William H. Luers (born May 15, 1929, Springfield, Illinois) is the Director of The Iran Project[3] and an adjunct Professor at The School of International and Public Affairs at Columbia University. He has been a Naval Officer, a career diplomat in the U.S Foreign Service (32 years), The President of The Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC (13 years), and President of the United Nations Association of the United States of America (10 years). He is also a writer/commentator on world affairs. He has written articles for magazines, newspapers, and contributed essays for books since the mid-1960s. He has served on many corporate and not-for-profit Boards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Luers

Odds are a "career diplomat" is a CIA agent, especially being a former Naval Officer which was likely another cover and serving on corporate boards

---
Unlike most CIA officers, who are stationed abroad disguised as State Department employees, military officials, or other U.S. government personnel attached to an American embassy, NOCs operate without any apparent links to the U.S. government. They are able to approach people who would not otherwise come into contact with a U.S. embassy official. The CIA's operations within terrorist, drug trafficking, and arms dealer networks often involve NOCs, who can move more easily in such circles without raising suspicion.

In recent years, according to several CIA sources, NOCs have increasingly turned their attention to economics. Using their business covers, they seek to recruit agents in foreign government economic ministries or gain intelligence about high-tech firms in computer, electronics, and aerospace industries. They also help track the development of critical technologies, both military and civilian.

NOCs frequently stay 5, 10, or more years in one place. During that time, the NOC is truly "out in the cold." Their contacts with control officers in the CIA station are strictly limited; they do not have access to embassy files; and they must report through secret communications channels and clandestine meetings.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1995/01/cia-crosses-over

Officer, "career diplomat", businessman, and to top it off he writes & comments on foreign affairs. I don't know what happened here but it looks there was probably a whole lot invented for a trap which Venezuela walked into, if the basic info is accurate and if that was the case he probably misrepresented himself as an ally and "vanished". Info Ops.

Black propaganda

Black propaganda is false information and material that purports to be from a source on one side of a conflict, but is actually from the opposing side. It is typically used to vilify, embarrass or misrepresent the enemy.[1] Black propaganda contrasts with grey propaganda, the source of which is not identified, and white propaganda, in which the real source is declared and usually more accurate information is given, albeit slanted, distorted and omissive. Black propaganda is covert in nature in that its aims, identity, significance, and sources are hidden.

The major characteristic of black propaganda is that the people are not aware that someone is influencing them, and do not feel that they are being pushed in a certain direction.[2] Black propaganda purports to emanate from a source other than the true source. This type of propaganda is associated with covert psychological operations.[3] Sometimes the source is concealed or credited to a false authority and spreads lies, fabrications, and deceptions. Black propaganda is the "big lie", including all types of creative deceit.[4] Black propaganda relies on the willingness of the receiver to accept the credibility of the source. If the creators or senders of the black propaganda message do not adequately understand their intended audience, the message may be misunderstood, seem suspicious, or fail altogether.[4]

Governments will generally conduct black propaganda operations for two different reasons.[citation needed] First, by disguising their direct involvement a government may be more likely to succeed in convincing an otherwise unbelieving target audience. Second, there are diplomatic reasons behind the use of black propaganda. Black propaganda is necessary to obfuscate a government's involvement in activities that may be detrimental to its foreign policies.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda#United_States_media

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
5. the fake guy made up by Venezuela is supposedly James Luers, not William Luers
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:11 PM
Jul 2015

aside from that correction, I would agree that this is just made up government (Venezuelan) bullshit.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
7. James, Jim, William, Bill I always get those nicknames confused
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:42 PM
Jul 2015

typed the name and when I saw The Nation below the Miami Herald headlines didn't think the nickname wasn't for a William

but my thoughts are with the press feeding this I have no idea why or where the mix-up occurred. A possibility, considering it is highly likely he's a CIA agent considering his background he was in Venezuela. Probably said he was a James or something similar represented himself in some sort of official capacity on business with the state or something was off with the name when it was reported but if it was made up why isn't it something that reflects badly on himself rather something positive that he's looking out for Venezuela? If they knew him, right? A possibility is that he befriended them said something like what they reported but something was misrepresented in a way to set the government up for ridicule which the press pounced on. I have no idea what the truth is but considering the press attention I bet it is the CIA misrepresenting the truth.

I started searching just for Jim or James Luers to try to trace this story. The stories written in English ridiculing the government say he was 3 different jobs at different moments, I presume. One was an agent and the William Luers is so obviously a CIA agent.

From this one -- http://caracaschronicles.com/2015/06/03/who-is-jim-luers/ Investigator linked here http://www.quintodia.net/columna/exclusivas/5183/exclusivas-de-ltima-p-gina/ which this article is so obvious with its propaganda but the name at the top gives itself as J. Luers. From what I gather the Quinto Dia is a weekly periodical

I have so many links open right now and everything is in Spanish but I was pointed here from somewhere. AVN seems to be reporting what the Government official is saying anyway and names the publication is that where this J. Luers comes from. Something is off in all this and I'm not sure what but this seems to be coming from the CIA.

---

"There is a government agency of the United States has said that it has an open against a Venezuelan official, in this case against the president of the National Assembly investigation" reiterated Herrera, to the time said the show against the revolutionary officers " poster is part of the media, the corporate media "refers to a press release of the National Assembly.

"That fan uncover the lie that we expected that. No wonder they try to lynch a citizen of a progressive and revolutionary country from the international media right," he said in reference to the unfounded accusations is done abroad against Venezuela, action that seek to undermine the stability and peace of the Latin American country that 16 years ago declared its anti-imperialist character to advance in peace and sovereignty

<snip>

The average ABC, newspaper of the Spanish monarchy, published a propaganda piece in statements using Leamsy Salazar, a former bodyguard filed Hair in America, to attack the honor and dignity of the president of the national parliament.

The species was replicated without verifying its accuracy, in Venezuela by media corporations El Nacional and Tal Cual, and also because the website La Patilla. Hair deputy filed criminal actions against the national media in the country's courts in that regard.

The Venezuelan weekly Quinto Dia, from 17 to April 24, 2015, reported on its back cover that "definitely unsuccessful complaint against Diosdado Hair in America. The report spokesman Jim Luers warned that allegations of a military armed who sought refuge (Leamsy Salazar), they were totally false ".

"That took the fifth day of here and El Universal, and omitted the rest of the media," complained Herrera.

www.avn.info.ve/contenido/earle-herrera-ninguna-fiscalía-eeuu-ha-abierto-algún-procedimiento-contra-cabello

Miami Herald seems to be confused as much as I am here.

-----

In the current-affairs column signed by “J. Luers” the author weighs in on U.S. politics, the Dominique Strauss-Kahn affair and provides a novel explanation for why he was once identified as an FBI agent. He says FBI stands for Frente de Buenos Informantes or, roughly, the Good Informants Front.

Quinto Día has been quoting “Luers” since at least 2013, but he caught international attention in April when he was cited by the paper and state-run VTV television as a “White House spokesman” denying reports that National Assembly President Diosdado Cabello was being investigated for drug trafficking. Pro-government congressmen hailed the news.

After the White House denied he worked there, however, it set off a search by local media to see if he existed at all.

Quinto Día eventually said that it had misidentified their source but insisted that Jim Luers was real. The newspaper has not responded to several interview requests by phone and email.

In his column, J. Luers said it’s all a big misunderstanding. That he never told Quinto Día that he worked for U.S. government agencies, but had sources who do.

In Friday’s column, he said that the recent meeting between State Department Counselor Thomas Shannon and Cabello in Haiti proves that the Venezuelan leader isn’t under investigation — just like his sources had confirmed to him.

<snip>

He also claims to live in Maryland, work in Washington and be a Latin American of German descent. He said the recent media notoriety had earned him the Quinto Día column, an upcoming column in the United States and a radio show.

The Miami Herald has attempted repeatedly to establish phone contact with Luers, but he says he will only concede to a face-to-face meeting at Reagan National Airport in Washington or, perhaps, Miami.

Asked about how he made the leap from source to columnist, Luers dodged.

“However I sign [my columns] or identify myself I don’t think it matter much,” he wrote. “What my readers admire is the veracity of the content and the confirmation of everything I have said.”

<snip>

“I don’t do drugs, I don’t traffic drugs, I’m not a cuckold and I’m not connected to paramilitary groups or criminal organizations — I’m simply Jim Luers,” he wrote. “And now I leave you because I’m off to a conference with people or agents who are intellectually superior to you.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article25003048.html#storylink=cpy

I saw "report spokesman" though not clear if it was a misrepresentation or misunderstanding on the variances but I feel the psychological manipulation big time here he got the column due to his recent media noteriety?


William Luers & another CIA agent wrote this article

Director of The Iran Project; former American Ambassador to Venezuela and Czechoslovakia
Former U.S. Ambassador to Jordan, Nigeria, El Salvador, Israel, India, Russia and the UN

Cuba and Iran: A New Era for American Diplomacy?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-luers/cuba-and-iran-a-new-era-f_b_6508150.html

This is another one though with former ambassador (spy) to Afghanistan & Iraq

How a U.S.-Iran nuclear deal could help save Iraq
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-a-us-iran-nuclear-deal-could-help-save-iraq/2014/07/11/cd2d1b72-085c-11e4-a0dd-f2b22a257353_story.html

Idex corp (IEX:New York Consolidated)

William H. Luers
Former Director, IDEX Corporation

This person is connected to 81 board members in 5 different organizations across 7 different industries.

See Board Relationships
85 -- http://host.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/relationship.asp?personId=534068

1986-Present
Director
Transco Energy Company, LLC
1995-N/A
Former Director, Member of Audit Committee and Member of Related Party Committee
Wickes Inc.
1997-N/A
Former Director, Member of Audit Committee and Member of Valuation Committee
Brazil Fund Inc.
1998-N/A
Former Director and Member of Audit Committee
Scudder New Asia Fund Inc.
2000-N/A
Former Director, Member of Audit Committee and Member of Compensation Committee
America Online Latin America Inc.
2001-N/A
Former Director
Deutsche Global High Income Fund, Inc.

Other Affiliations*
Transco Energy Company, LLC
Wickes Inc.
Brazil Fund Inc.
America Online Latin America Inc.
Christie's Inc.
Columbia University
Christie's International Plc
The Korea Fund, Inc.
Hamilton College
The Howard Gilman Foundation
Christie's International SA
Deutsche Global High Income Fund, Inc.
Scudder New Asia Fund Inc.
DWS Enhanced Commodity Strategy Fund, Inc.

http://host.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=534068&ticker=IEX&previousCapId=110934&previousTitle=Covington%20%26%20Burling%20LLP

To be honest don't know who is the one psychologically manipulating one side or the other, the only thing I'm certain of is William Luers is an agent with all those fronts and funds, officer, ambassador and already with several propaganda pieces to the US directly. Don't know if he is the same or the idea of J. Luers -- maybe the point is to confuse the intended audience?

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
8. Don't know but it seemed like Ven government officials liked him enough
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:40 AM
Jul 2015

since they quote him but even if he is real he isn't the position they said he was as a WH spokesman. Just a columnist doesn't mean much.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
9. They do
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jul 2015

If it is another CIA infiltration operations and they don't change, just change the names of programs, more expansive, and more advanced -- especially with metadata. Befriend their targets and infiltrate the ranks and the media is probably the biggest part of it. Usually charm or some BS, blackmail is often used.

Definitely the pushing of someone who probably would 2x the effort the Obama administration is putting in is suspect and the unusual gloating at the bottom. Not sure it is the same guy as he takes it to a point where I think it is satire where he was the confrontational e-mails and bragging to see people superior than the reporter. Its just all very strange and the behavior strikes me as an inside man.

I really could lean one way or the other but it is more difficult to put the government because the pushing of Hillary Clinton. If it is a CIA thing and same guy and everything than whoever in government is allowing this to use this source or columnist may be naive, uninformed, or incompetent. The problem is there are so many civilian contractors and international corporations with British, Australia, kinda allied in this sort of thing is they're going to something from someone & somewhere or use the ranks within the opposition Intelligence is assisting.

It may not even be all as I have no clue what is really going on, the stuff being kept, the ongoing operations, etc. The most obvious aspect is the information warfare aspect of it when the media is pushing strongly a narrative or a story, hyping. I knew the press was biased but had no idea how bad until recently. Looking up something on Afghanistan I can tell the strong push from the press (BBC is the most obvious, they give themselves away) that ISIS is looking to expand in Afghanistan & drone strikes are suddenly killing ISIS leaders in Afghanistan. A lot of reports on the heroin flowing out seemingly pinning it all on Taliban when the opium accounts for a third of the nation's GDP. There are poppy fields growing inside police stations. Also saw a Washington Post report on USAID can't find the money or account for the 100+ or less medical buildings when this was also reported on that they were building black sites in the middles of nowhere with no roads but the top tier newspapers omit a lot of information either willingly or unwillingly. That's just an example don't mean to go off track there

Reuters
Major defense firms targeted include Raytheon, DynCorp International and Supreme Group, and they provide vital services to NATO forces, diplomatic missions and the aid sector.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/03/us-afghanistan-contractors-idUSKCN0PC2OY20150703

I think they should be a little more clear on what they provide but with shameful histories of DynCorp & Raytheon they can't be a little more investigative than that? Though overall not as bad as usual but for the most part look the other way & focus on the bad guy they are pointing the finger at and saying "get him". Which is what I see with Venezuela with the sanctions, the whole they're exporting cocaine (probably are but their drug wars tend to increase drug supply), this thing and the psychological aspect of that or anything is probably what the CIA is best at. Remember all those retired Generals "military experts" pushing the cause for war on all the time in 2003?

The good thing about the government press is it allows the government to speak or give them their thoughts because US media sure as hell and never goes down to ask them a question, the top tier ones anyway. VICE does a great job, I respect their efforts doing all the follow-up reporting the MSM is neglecting. Didn't mean for to be so long but the CIA interests have way too much power over the information flowing that is being misrepresented. Particularly local psychological warfare causes all sorts of havoc & mistrust.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
11. I try my best
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:21 PM
Jul 2015

my one goal in life is to find the truth in life.

I have a little personal experience with sociopaths and being around them (not many going based on certain red flags) I think helped me recognize the behavior when I see it, particularly with the lying and psychological manipulation & torture especially as a sociopath is one that will set-up someone with empathy, who didn't do anything wrong but they are able to convince the right people or some of them anyway that this person who is right is wrong and the sociopath who is wrong convinces them he's right. The whole CIA is a system rigged by sociopaths and it is a critical mistake to assume good intentions. Worst than wrong is lying about whose wrong a long with the secrets kept stuff redacted is what I'm most outraged about but certainly don't sell the trauma caused short either.

I was looking for the Information Operations unclassified documents (which are very interesting and a lot redacted, all of it on data mining which so far it always is -- when do the redactions become unclassified?)

I was going to make a comment on that but found this not sure how to link but if posting the search results link works it should be at the bottom "Embassy Caracas Log: Failed Coup attempt" from 2000. On edit -- changed link to "caracas embassy logs" search results any trouble it should come up on a search or type "failed coup attempt" http://foia.state.gov/Search/results.aspx?searchText=caracas+embassy+logs&beginDate=&endDate=&publishedBeginDate=&publishedEndDate=&caseNumber=

OK -- figured out Wikipedia probably has it & the PDF

The Information Operations Roadmap is a document commissioned by the Pentagon in 2003 and declassified in January 2006. The document was personally approved by former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld,[1] and describes the United States Military's approach to Information warfare, with an emphasis on the Internet.

The operations described in the document include a wide range of military activities: Public affairs officers who brief journalists, psychological operations troops who try to manipulate the thoughts and beliefs of an enemy, computer network attack specialists who seek to destroy enemy networks, and a major disinformation project to plant false stories in any available news media.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Operations_Roadmap

This is the most detailed on psychological manipulation (could be torture in some instances)
http://www.psychologicalharassment.com/psychological-manipulation.htm

There is A LOT from the link that I would choose for the post but this one works well

Metaphorical Speech: Hidden Threats and View on Reality Manipulation

Sometimes people will use metaphors and metaphorical speech to try to hide different threats or use words that are not obvious in their association to a threatening nature and try to reduce the risk of exposure or criminal evidence.

The meaning of different words can also be changed as with sarcasm. For example if two people that hate each other are using the words "I love you", the intention and meaning of the words used do not have the same meaning or intention as the definition of the words.

Metaphorical speech can also be used to change or manipulate the view on reality of a victim. For example metaphorical speech can be used to describe a certain view on reality or belief that is not the actual reality in an attempt to manipulate the person. Ideation in Suicide Factors

The words "profile", "psychoanalyzed", we are going to "fill you up" in the sense of creating a bad or false psychological profile and using psychiatry as a threat. The victim is psychologically harassed and also bombarded with degrading themes, such as pedophilia for example and combined with attempts to make the victims believe that they will be labeled a pedophile, sexually confused, or a violent, angry, and dangerous person. The truth and reality is that this tactic is used by the perpetrators in an attempt to protect themselves, discredit the victim, and prevent the victim form coming forward and exposing them.

Another example is referring to the victim as an animal such as a dog. The attempts made by the victim to expose the perpetrators are then metaphorically described as trying to "bite", like a dog, or "eat" the perpetrators. Using metaphors that are orally oriented are then re-directed towards or used with degrading themes in attempts to prevent victims from continuing the behavior of trying to expose perpetrators. This example of the victim being metaphorically described as a dog can also imply or insinuate that the person is less than human and can be controlled by a master or as a slave.

A better use of metaphors to describe the situation is that by trying to expose the perpetrators, the victim is using the light (exposure and visibility) and the perpetrators trying to use the darkness (deception and concealment).

When your enemy uses the darkness and tries to hide in the darkness, you have to use the light.

http://www.psychologicalharassment.com/psychological-manipulation.htm#Indirect_Communication_-_State_of_Constant_Interrogation

Judi Lynn

(160,544 posts)
12. This is a post which must be saved and studied. Loaded with information we need to see and study.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 05:30 AM
Jul 2015

We've heard of some of these tactics taught also at the School of the Americas to those people to take back to their countries to use against their leftist citizens to disable them.

I can recall a prominent example in Marine Sgt. Scott Ritter who adamantly claimed there was NO stash of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq prior to Bush's/Rumsfeld's invasion and mass murders, and sacrifice of U.S. American soldiers' lives, and the beginning of a hellacious, non-ending war.

I marked this post #11 to save and study thoroughly. Can't thank you enough for the material which I've spotted already in a fast scan of just one of the links. Eagerly looking forward to a careful reading of everything in the links.

Thank you, so much. This is a tremendous aid.

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
6. The ones in question are the Venezuelan government, not the US
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:15 PM
Jul 2015

So do you or do you not condemn that the Venezuelan government is blatantly lying?

Judi Lynn

(160,544 posts)
13. Good one. What a bizarre farce that was, seeing this bogus journalist showing up for pressers,
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 05:39 AM
Jul 2015

getting downright belligerent against Democrats or anyone who questioned the Bush presidency. They were able to keep it all under control, and nothing which damaged them irreparably from getting out, despite all the obvious abuse of records, etc.

Jeff Gannon. Grotesque.

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