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polly7

(20,582 posts)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 06:28 AM Sep 2012

Cubans participate massively to elect municipal delegates

Caracas, 13 Sep. AVN.

Caracas, 13 Sep. AVN. - The Cuban participation in the nomination process of candidates for delegates to the municipal assemblies across the country is massive, said Thursday the National Electoral Commission (NEC) of the Caribbean island.



Of the 14,941 neighborhood meetings to be held until September 11, it conducted a 97.75%, equivalent to 14 605.

From the CNE said that this figure represents 28.66% of total 50,963 planned assemblies, said the official.

The CNE revealed that so far 11,846 candidates have been nominated, of which 4410 are women and 1986 young people.


http://www.avn.info.ve/contenido/cubanos-participan-forma-masiva-para-elegir-delegados-municipales

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Cubans participate massively to elect municipal delegates (Original Post) polly7 Sep 2012 OP
There are at least two DU'ers who've been in Cuba at election time. Judi Lynn Sep 2012 #1
That's great to hear. polly7 Sep 2012 #3
This is the nomination process in Cuba: joshcryer Sep 2012 #2
Bullshit. Mika Sep 2012 #4
"vote in favor, against or refrain from voting." joshcryer Sep 2012 #5
Huh? What's up w/that link? Mika Sep 2012 #6
No, I'm saying there is no real civic participation. Consider the National Candidature Commission. joshcryer Sep 2012 #7
Why do you simply make shit up? Mika Sep 2012 #8
Better tell your family members in Cuba they are mistaken about elections, Mika! Judi Lynn Sep 2012 #9
Mika hasn't refuted what I said about Cuban elections. joshcryer Sep 2012 #11
I'll show them that 10yr old Cuban Transition Project paper created by RW exiles @ UofM Casa Bacardi Mika Sep 2012 #13
Hi, Mika. I was sickened to see years ago that Cuban nationals have heard about that project Judi Lynn Sep 2012 #14
Still saber rattling about the increasingly irrelevant Miami exiles. joshcryer Sep 2012 #18
How can they "make his/her expressions known" without campaigning? joshcryer Sep 2012 #10
I've explained the ratification elections many times to you. Mika Sep 2012 #15
I've read the 1992 Electoral Code and am unconvinced you are outside of the bubble. joshcryer Sep 2012 #16
Well, I'll stick to my own personal experiences in Cuba, not Miami based BS. Mika Sep 2012 #19
to be clear naaman fletcher Sep 2012 #12
Yes, in theory, but you would be arrested quickly. joshcryer Sep 2012 #17
One last post to debunk the utter lie that one would be arrested. Mika Sep 2012 #20
Everyone in Miami, including his family had to be so shocked when Eloy Gutierrez Menoyo Judi Lynn Sep 2012 #21
What are you talking about? It actually happens! joshcryer Sep 2012 #22

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
1. There are at least two DU'ers who've been in Cuba at election time.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 07:12 AM
Sep 2012

They've both been very impressed with the way they conduct their elections.

Thanks for the info. concerning the upcoming elections.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
3. That's great to hear.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:48 PM
Sep 2012

I hope everything goes well for them ... I love that there are so many women and young people running.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
4. Bullshit.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:16 PM
Sep 2012

I've been there during nominating sessions and attended several.

For the under informed (in order to counter the anti Cuba propagandists here), this is a thread from the last election season in Cuba (where you will observe the typical pattern of the forum sliding distractionists) ...

Electoral Process Continues Smoothly Nationwide (Election season kickoff in Cuba)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x31936




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Mika

(17,751 posts)
6. Huh? What's up w/that link?
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:35 PM
Sep 2012

I assumed (maybe incorrectly) that you were inferring that there is only one nominated candidate per district election.
Is that what you're saying?

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
7. No, I'm saying there is no real civic participation. Consider the National Candidature Commission.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:41 PM
Sep 2012

If you want to be in the National Assembly of Peoples power you have to prove your loyalty and patriotism and crap.

You can't just go out and say "Hey, I want to work for the National Assembly, here's what I believe."

Indeed, that would be campaigning, which is expressly forbidden.

All you get to do is get to have your picture and a small bio posted. There is absolutely no exchange of ideas and desires toward improving the country to the people who vote for you.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
8. Why do you simply make shit up?
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 10:09 PM
Sep 2012

Cubans vote on the candidate's platform - not the platform of any party. It's up to the candidates to make his/her expressions known to interested audiences.
Plus, there's the bi-annual accountability sessions, where candidates can be recalled - based on said candidate's actions and platforms in direct discussion with potential rival candidates.

Been there, seen it. I don't think that you understand that candidates have FULL access to the public spaces, halls, CDR meeting areas, and have right to full publication of their opinions, in order to expose their platform to any and all interested Cubans (and they are interested and participating to the tune of 95%).

Where on earth did you get the idea that they cannot campaign?
One can't hold a seat in the National Assembly without being elected and ratified.
The National candidacy commission does not select nor pick any candidates.



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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
9. Better tell your family members in Cuba they are mistaken about elections, Mika!
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:11 PM
Sep 2012

I'm sure they'll burst into tears of relief getting the real picture, after spending their lives deluded!

That will teach them to disregard all the information they are exposed to at election time! Then they will know as much as any Republican.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
11. Mika hasn't refuted what I said about Cuban elections.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:14 PM
Sep 2012

Just muddling the waters and being dismissive and insulting.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
13. I'll show them that 10yr old Cuban Transition Project paper created by RW exiles @ UofM Casa Bacardi
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 02:58 PM
Sep 2012

I mean, who should I trust? My own lyin' eyes, or a RW privatization project from exilio Miami?
The disruptors and forum sliders are a waste of time, Judi.
The Cuba Transition Project calls for a L.Paul Bremer style of transition as the US did to Iraq.
How anyone can believe their bullshit (supported by the very RW foundations that support Heritage, AEI, IRI, NED, etc etc) is beyond me. I suspect that the contrarians here don't believe it, but seek to disrupt as if something is to be gained from such adamant and long term propagandizing. Hmmm.

Warmest regards to you, Judi.




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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
14. Hi, Mika. I was sickened to see years ago that Cuban nationals have heard about that project
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 05:59 PM
Sep 2012

already, and know exactly what schemes it has within it for THEIR future!

As for the contraires, it's so sad seeing them going after it hammer and tongs, day after day.

[center][/center]
The years can just fly by, and times seems to stand still, and they never waver. So peculiar for people who are so dismally on the side of the assholes.

It's wonderful "seeing" you, Mika. Your insights are impeccable, as the rational people who've known you learned long, long ago. Your actual experience living, teaching in Cuba, your friends and relations there, going back a long time all qualify beyond ALL challengers. It's very strange when another one staggers forth from time to time to set the record straight!

We all can use a good laugh, or at least a broad grin, from time to time!

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
18. Still saber rattling about the increasingly irrelevant Miami exiles.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 09:43 PM
Sep 2012

And I'm accused of propaganda for posting facts.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
10. How can they "make his/her expressions known" without campaigning?
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:13 PM
Sep 2012

You say they can campaign but all evidence is to the contrary from what the Cuban bloggers have to say (oh no, evil USAID paid Yoani is corrupted by the CIA).

Nevermind acedemia agrees with me: http://ctp.iccas.miami.edu/Research_Studies/WLeoGrande.pdf

When the new electoral law was finalized in October 1992, however, it dashed any hopes for a significant opening of OPP to alternative voices. The ban on campaigning was retained, and the nomination of provincial and national assembly candidates was entrusted to Candidacy Commissions. Through an elaborate process of consultation with and suggestions from mass organizations, municipal assemblies, and local work centers, the Candidacy Commissions (now chaired by trade union, rather than PCC, representatives) produced slates of nominees with just one candidate per seat. Voters only had the choice of voting yes or no.47 Thus, the election process at the provincial and national levels avoided the possibility of even implicit policy differences among candidates of the sort that could occur in local contests.
 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
15. I've explained the ratification elections many times to you.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 06:20 PM
Sep 2012

Obviously, you're not here to learn.

Bye bye


joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
16. I've read the 1992 Electoral Code and am unconvinced you are outside of the bubble.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 09:19 PM
Sep 2012

I think you are entrenched with Cuban elitist circles and are effectively blind to the process that the Cuban people have to undergo.

When free elections were allowed in the USSR the Soviets and indeed the "liberal left" were shocked, shocked I tell you, when the USSR Communist Party didn't get 100% of the vote! Shocked! Why golly gee, not allowing people to choose their candidates, and when they can, they don't choose the party!

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
19. Well, I'll stick to my own personal experiences in Cuba, not Miami based BS.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 01:55 PM
Sep 2012

'Tis not me posting material from the "irrelevant" exilio Miami.

Yes, I am "entrenched" in "elitist circles" of Cuban farmers, doctors, teachers, musicians, artists, child care workers, fishermen, cooks, waiters, etc. Those are the occupations of my family and close friends in Cuba, with whom I communicate frequently and have visited with recently. I'll choose my own lyin' eyes, and their year round experiences over your sophistry, distortions, projections, and outright lies.

Cheers.


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naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
12. to be clear
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 02:52 AM
Sep 2012

One could run for office on an anti-castro platform and walk around distributing literature and such? Did the current castro gain his office by campaigning?

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
17. Yes, in theory, but you would be arrested quickly.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 09:40 PM
Sep 2012

At the bare minimum you would be disappeared for the night while they go over whether they can really charge you for it.

You can read the Cuban Penal code here: http://ruleoflawandcuba.fsu.edu/law-penal-code.cfm

ARTÍCULO 144.1. El que amenace, calumnie, difame, insulte, injurie o de cualquier modo ultraje u ofenda, de palabra o por escrito, en su dignidad o decoro a una autoridad, funcionario público, o a sus agentes o auxiliares, en ejercicio de sus funciones o en ocasión o con motivo de ellas, incurre en sanción de privación de libertad de tres meses a un año o multa de cien a trescientas cuotas o ambas.

2. Si el hecho previsto en el apartado anterior se realiza respecto al Presidente del Consejo de Estado, al Presidente de la Asamblea Nacional del Poder Popular, a los miembros del Consejo de Estado o del Consejo de Ministros o a los Diputados a la Asamblea Nacional del Poder Popular, la sanción es de privación de libertad de uno a tres años.


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ARTICLE 144.1. Whoever threatens, slanders, defames, insults, or in any way insults or offends, orally or in writing, the dignity or decorum of an authority, public functionary, or his agents or auxiliaries, in the exercise of their duties or occasion or by reason thereof, shall be punished with imprisonment of three months to one year or a fine of one hundred to three hundred quotas or both.

2. If the action described in the previous section is performed with respect to the President of the State Council, the President of the People's National Assembly, members of the State Council or the Council of Ministers or the Deputies to the National Assembly of People's Power , the penalty is imprisonment of one to three years.


Want to have your own non-party sanctioned group?

ARTÍCULO 208. 1. El que pertenezca como asociado o afiliado a una asociación no inscrita en el registro correspondiente, incurre en sanción de privación de libertad de uno a tres meses o multa hasta cien cuotas.

2. Los promotores o directores de una asociación no inscrita incurren en sanción de privación de libertad de tres meses a un año o multa de cien a trescientas cuotas.

ARTÍCULO 209. 1. El que participe en reuniones o manifestaciones celebradas con infracción de las disposiciones que regulan el ejercicio de estos derechos, incurre en sanción de privación de libertad de uno a tres meses o multa hasta cien cuotas.

2. Los organizadores de reuniones o manifestaciones ilícitas incurren en sanción de privación de libertad de tres meses a un año o multa de cien a trescientas cuota.


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ARTICLE 208. 1. The belonging as associate or affiliate of an association not registered in the appropriate register, shall be punished by imprisonment of one to three months or a fine up to one hundred shares.

2. The promoters or directors of an unincorporated association incur penalty of imprisonment of three months to one year or a fine of one hundred to three hundred shares.

ARTICLE 209. 1. The participating in meetings or demonstrations held in violation of the provisions governing the exercise of such rights, shall be punished by imprisonment of one to three months or a fine up to one hundred shares.

2. Meeting planners or unlawful demonstrations incur penalty of imprisonment of three months to one year or a fine of one hundred to three hundred fee.


So, not only should the Ladies in White be arrested and jailed at this very moment, they risk one to three months of jail time every single time they protest! Every single time! The reason they aren't jailed for one to three months is the Cuban authorities know that there would be blow back if they did it.

Articles 72-90, 103, 115, 144, 207, 208, 209 are what you're looking for if you want to know how "free" the Cuban people are. The rapid arrests are not exaggerations by the Cuban dissidents. When it happens here in the United States (people arrested for protesting), it is rightly decried. When it happens in Cuba it is "necessary to maintain the revolution." Can't have people expressing themselves!

Articles 72-90 are in particular used to arrest anyone for anything whatsoever ("antisocial behavior" being quite broad and not well defined). It's one reason that Cuba has an incarceration rate rivaling that of the United States.
 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
20. One last post to debunk the utter lie that one would be arrested.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 04:35 PM
Sep 2012


Eloy Gutierrez Menoyo has formed an anti Castro party in Cuba. Not arrested. Still up and running.

A question to ask ... why do the adversaries of Cuba continue to spew lies and propaganda here?
Remember, some of these very propagandists were saying on DU that the head of an anti Castro political party (Oswaldo Paya) was murdered by Castro's thugs.
There's a pattern of untrustworthy spamming, if one takes a look.


http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_nf=1&gs_mss=Eloy%20Gutirrez%20Menoyo&qe=RWxveSBHdXRpZXJyZXogTWVub3lv&qesig=c9yUJTzp7RNkdgYHIE5DaA&pkc=AFgZ2tmOQaWlETxJUnII6-3rJMAntEDqba7hfxMltWueHUE-KYtdnwf9GDEBA4iGA_rxIehJW5coaoChTPE4Ul5nLA23xF-Azg&cp=10&gs_id=d&xhr=t&q=Eloy%20Gutierrez%20Menoyo&pf=p&newwindow=1&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Eloy+Gutierrez+Menoyo&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=b610fb1514df2529&biw=1433&bih=902

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
21. Everyone in Miami, including his family had to be so shocked when Eloy Gutierrez Menoyo
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:15 AM
Sep 2012

decided to stay in Cuba at the end of a visit he and his wife, daughter took there.

He's still there, all these years later, STILL running Cambio Cubano. Hasn't been hurled into the slammer, clearly.

The government has come down hard on him, threatening, trying to intimidate him into leaving Cuba: OUR government, as you mentioned.

Why they feel they have the right to threaten someone in another country is beyond me. Crazy, spooky, "unamerican".

I also recall the grim insistance that ol' scary Castro was behind the death of Oswaldo Paya. Yeah, he had been biding his time until he could catch the asshole speeding along a road, and a Castro commie murderer came booming along and pushed him off the road and kilt'im. Wow, so mean!

They can carry a grudge a long time, according to that brilliant bit of mental gymnastics.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
22. What are you talking about? It actually happens!
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 11:02 AM
Sep 2012

Are you kidding me?!? All you're doing is deflecting. You don't disprove that people get arrested for not having the right opinions.

All you show is that they don't apply the law coherently or judiciously, they go after whoever they damn well please.

I posted the facts, the actual laws in question, which are implemented arbitrarily against anyone.

Why that guy is allowed to walk is anyones guess. Just as why the Ladies in White are allowed to walk. There's some deeply rooted cronyism there.

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