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sandensea

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Sun Dec 10, 2017, 04:01 PM Dec 2017

Crew of missing Argentine submarine died 'instantly' in huge explosion: former American Navy expert

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The 44 crew members on board missing Argentine submarine ARA San Juan died 'instantly' and without suffering after a huge explosion, a former American Navy expert has claimed.

Acoustic analyst Bruce Rule concluded they were killed after the submarine's hull was 'completely destroyed' in around 40 milliseconds. Rule calculated the energy produced by the submarine's collapse was the equivalent of the explosion of 12,500 pounds (5.7 tons) of TNT at 1,275 feet below sea level.

Key parts of the report said:

'Although the crew may have known collapse was imminent, they never knew it was occurring. They didn't drown or experience pain. Death was instantaneous. The entire pressure-hull was completely destroyed in about 40 milliseconds or 1/25th of a second.'

Mr. Rule, described as the former lead acoustic analyst at the US Office of Naval Intelligence, the premier U.S. maritime intelligence service, concluded the submarine wreckage had sunk vertically at a speed of 10 to 13 knots.

ARA San Juan went missing on November 15 in the South Atlantic and although the search for the vessel is continuing, Argentine Navy officials have admitted they are now only looking for a wreck.

At: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5165173/Crew-missing-Argentinian-sub-San-Juan-died-instantly.html




The ARA San Juan in Buenos Aires last May. Both Navy officers shown were among the 44 killed.
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Crew of missing Argentine submarine died 'instantly' in huge explosion: former American Navy expert (Original Post) sandensea Dec 2017 OP
It's an implosion. disalitervisum Dec 2017 #1
Link to locked thread originally posted in LBN disalitervisum Dec 2017 #2
It's good to hear they may all have been spared the terror one would expect. Judi Lynn Dec 2017 #3
Well they went very fast at the end so that's good.. EX500rider Dec 2017 #4
 

disalitervisum

(470 posts)
1. It's an implosion.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:39 PM
Dec 2017

A malfunction resulting in loss of steerage and/or propulsion can cause the boat to drop below crush depth, resulting in greater external hydrostatic pressure on the hull than the boat's internal atmosphere. Material can be thrown off from a non-solid object but this does not necessarily happen and if the pressure differential is sufficient, the imploding structure is/can be changed to a more compressed, denser, or even different material, much like a star collapsing of it's own gravity and becoming a neutron star. The event is instantaneous with respect to the crew and they indeed did not suffer if this was the case.

 

disalitervisum

(470 posts)
2. Link to locked thread originally posted in LBN
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 09:15 PM
Dec 2017

[link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141935908|

I was involved with submarines during my time in the U.S. Navy so this is of particular interest to me. I have little doubt that an implosion of the San Juan is what happened and I extend my sincerest sympathies to families and friends of the lost mariners, my brothers and sisters in arms beneath the sea.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
3. It's good to hear they may all have been spared the terror one would expect.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 10:19 PM
Dec 2017

After reading the comments in this thread, and the linked thread, it sounds as if they just may be vanished so quickly from the experience there wouldn't have been time to be conscious of their circumstances.

Surely hope that's the way it went.

What a monstrous tragedy.

Thanks for the information.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
4. Well they went very fast at the end so that's good..
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 05:28 PM
Dec 2017

....the bad being the flash-fire they all died in as the hull imploded and heated up the air as it compressed it. (but almost instantaneously)

Also they would have had a bad last 5 to 10+ mins as the out of control sub sank to crush depth assuming they were any conscious crew-members. They'd know they were out of compressed air to blow the tanks or had gotten too heavy to rise without propulsion or whatever other issues they were having and a crewmen would be reading out the depths to the Captain (or whoever was in charge at this point assuming the remaining crew weren't all involved in damage control) and they all know what the sub is depth rated to. When new she was taken to a test depth of 980ft/300m which means I'd guess a crush depth of between 1300ft and 1800ft somewhere. This sub being 34 years old she imploded in the 1200ft range I'd guess but they would have heard the end building as the hull groaned and compressed and things started breaking while the crewmen calmly goes "Ahora pasando 400 metros.." They'd all know they had seconds to live at that point.

No bueno. Scary end.

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