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Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:56 AM Nov 2012

Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum

http://news.yahoo.com/puerto-ricans-opt-statehood-referendum-134423786.html

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — A slim majority of Puerto Ricans sought to change their ties with the United States and become the 51st U.S. state in a non-binding referendum that would require final approval from Congress.

The two-part referendum asked whether the island wanted to change its 114-year relationship with the United States. Nearly 54 percent, or 922,374 people, sought to change it, while 46 percent, or 786,749 people, favored the status quo. Ninety-six percent of 1,643 precincts were reporting as of early Wednesday.

The second question asked voters to choose from three options, with statehood by far the favorite, garnering 61 percent. Sovereign free association, which would have allowed for more autonomy, received 33 percent, while independence got 5 percent.

President Barack Obama earlier expressed support for the referendum and pledged to respect the will of the people in the event of a clear majority.

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Interesting. I didn't think the ballot contained a free association option but it did. I wonder why the Popular Democratic Party didn't favor that option. Apparently, they pushed the YES vote in the first question, whether people were satisfied with the current arrangement with the US. Then, if YES won, they could continue to mislead themselves that the relationship is something other than what it actually is. That PR is a US territory.
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Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum (Original Post) Bacchus4.0 Nov 2012 OP
It'd be nice, but the GOP will never let it happen Wednesdays Nov 2012 #1
You are correct of course n/t Bacchus4.0 Nov 2012 #2
fascinating, the Statehood party governor lost although his referendum won Bacchus4.0 Nov 2012 #3
I find this whole headline misleading. naaman fletcher Nov 2012 #4
actually, now what they need is statehood vs. independence Bacchus4.0 Nov 2012 #5
I'm not sure I agree, naaman fletcher Nov 2012 #6
the problem is the "Commonwealth". if the option was statehood or not, the vote would be NO Bacchus4.0 Nov 2012 #7
From Wisconsin, USA HelenWheels Nov 2012 #8

Wednesdays

(17,402 posts)
1. It'd be nice, but the GOP will never let it happen
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:06 PM
Nov 2012

Not unless there's a Republican-friendly territory set to adopt statehood as well to balance out PR (which would almost certainly favor Democrats). Such as how they worked it out with Hawaii/Alaska in 1959.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
3. fascinating, the Statehood party governor lost although his referendum won
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 12:40 PM
Nov 2012

the Popular Democratic Party guy won although the PDP lost the status vote. amazing. THe independence party candidate received less than 3% which is even less than their typical 4%.

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
4. I find this whole headline misleading.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:56 PM
Nov 2012

46% said they wanted no change.

61% said IF there is change, they want statehood. That does not neccessarily mean that a majority want statehood.

What is needed now is a straight up referendum on Statehood versus status quo.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
5. actually, now what they need is statehood vs. independence
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:59 PM
Nov 2012

and NOT include the status quo.

If the referendum is between statehood vs. "commonwealth" the Popular Democratic Party will define the status quo option as the status they want, not the actual status of PR as a territory. They will claim the commonwealth option is a sovereign PR with US citizenship, US federal law is not applicable to the island unless they want it to apply, no US federal court jurisdiction, but US funding and services would still continue to flow into the island.

I believe there was vote in the early 90s on statehood, commonwealth, and independence. Commonwealth won because they defined it the way they want their status to be as described above. There will never be a resolution on PR status unless the US Congress imposes a binding referendum. Congress won't do it though.

Regarding yesterday's referendum, it was not an accident it was designed this way.

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
6. I'm not sure I agree,
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 03:50 PM
Nov 2012

as you would still have people who would rather be the same.

I think since statehood was the higher vote getter, you start with "Should we go for statehood".

If that then fails, in a separate election you go with "should we go for independence".

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
7. the problem is the "Commonwealth". if the option was statehood or not, the vote would be NO
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:30 PM
Nov 2012

Voting NO to statehood would not lead to independence, and it would not change the existing relationship. However, if you had a vote with statehood or independence, it has to be one or the other and statehood would win.

I still don't understand why, though, the Commonwealth party favored the yes option which defines PR as a territory. It seems the option in part 2 as a free associated state is in line with their 60 year old story of PR is not really a territory. The only thing I can think of is they simply don't want to keep reopening this can of worms. They are actually fine with the territorial status, don't want to change it, but don't want to actually admit it is US colony either.

By the way, the independentistas position is have a vote between statehood and independence which statehood would win. However, Congress would never actually grant statehood, so they would get independence by default.




here is the ballot:
http://www.voxxi.com/confusion-plebiscite-puerto-rico/

HelenWheels

(2,284 posts)
8. From Wisconsin, USA
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:33 PM
Nov 2012

I would love to welcome Puerto Rico as a new state. Who wouldn't want to include such a beautiful country and people?

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