Its a need to castigate anyone who dares to think differently from the group, as if the individual should give up all their own thoughts and beliefs to some phantom leadership that sets what all within the group should think. It is very borg like. You see it in every group whether its gender, race, ethnicity or any variance of. Funny thing is its militantly supported as long as the other does not do it, then we hear words such as traitor, quisling and any other attack you care to mention.

It isn't LIKE a demand for group think, it IS a demand for group think.

The group in question, and this is just a speculation, are people who may have been harmed in some way by men but have not healed. And the fact is that this healing, for most of them, may NEVER occur. If this is the case, I do feel sympathy for them and whatever it may be that has happened to them. However, acting as a group, it is obvious that there is enough unbridled anger there, being reinforced and amplified amongst each other, that they've long since abandoned the fact that it was an individual or individuals which have caused their pain, not an entire categorical group.

Once you've gone there, my sympathy disappears. The group in question is more about demonizing men as a whole, treating them as inferiors and sub-human, and looking upon anything males favor as abhorrent, retrograde, and anti-progressive. To attempt this kind of a bigotry in a liberal framework touted as a type of feminism, where we would otherwise look at such a bigotry itself as abhorrent, retrograde, and anti-progressive, requires the kind of rhetorical tomfoolery we usually see from them.

It's why hypocrisy is not only acceptable, but unavoidable. Why it is okay to shout at men the worst sort of accusations of troglodyte behaviors, and why even the most careful statements of criticisms in the mere direction of a woman are intolerable and ALWAYS "sexist"? It's to be expected. Men bad, women good, at least among these so-called "feminists". When a woman says, "that man has a point" which opposes their narrative, they are "traitors". It seems to be just an us vs. them situation, and has little to do with advancing the rights of women to points of true equality. It's why they'll jump into bed with the likes of Ed Meese if it gets that nasty objectifying porn out of the hands of those male grotesques. Put aside the fact that Ed's one of the most reactionary of the party of reactionaries, and would probably rewrite the Constitution to declare women as property given half a chance to do so. It's an acceptable alliance because every erection prevented is a battle won, apparently.

Feminism, in its primacy of purpose, is to assure for women the same freedom of choice that men have, in all aspects of society where no other limiting factor would otherwise exist. Going further, if, indeed, those limiting factors are presumed to exist, they should be ruthlessly questioned and subject to the preponderance of the burden of proof if we are to accept them. At its heart, the point of feminism is to tear down the artificial edifices of restriction placed upon women's bodies, ambitions, roles, and minds so that women may enjoy fully the gamut of choices that men have always taken for granted.

Yet, when a woman chooses something that does not mesh with their idea of the "right" choice, all of a sudden the choice and freedom and agency of women that they claim to care so much about become "troublesome" and "regressive". Of course, the hypocrisy in this is obvious, so to coat it with a delicious candy shell, it all of a sudden conveniently becomes coercion in the guise of choice. Well, there you go. The usual malefactors are, of course, blamed (patriarchy, etc).

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IMO: Respect for oneself and others should be shown even in a heated debate.

Some people consider themselves more femminy or wimminy than others, I guess.

Amazing that post didn't get ppr, let alone hidden.

they are guilty of themselves. Complaining about a "culture of _____" and creating their own culture of dismissive name calling and stfu toward other women serves their holier than thou attitude very well.

I don't believe there is anything to be learned about feminism on DU.

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Unless you want to learn about hypocrisy, hatefulness, being judgemental, gossiping/attacking about people over their personal, private issues they may struggle with, accusing other genders (or the same which really takes the cake as they call themselves feminists) of disgusting falsehoods that I think brings them personal joy to make up. Sick.

Most of the above mentioned I "learned" in junior high and HS as those are highly predominant in that age group, and learned quite early on from myself, my mother, teachers and my true friends (boys included) what kind of woman I want to be, and it sure as shit isn't certain ones here.

I'm proud of who I am, my family and the children we raised, beliefs, my knowledge, my personality, sense of humor, my politics, my confidence in my sexuality and the company I keep.

Oh yeah, I forgot to add my looks, too.

anybody telling me what I should or shouldn't think, and being condescended to to top it all off.

I'm happy with the job I have done as a mother, happy with my husband and pretty much everything.

Well, you're in good company then - I'm a looker too.

I forgot to mention I'm also a very good judge of character.

We have a lot in common, and I am really glad we are friends.

When you cite far right wing homophobic shitbags just because they might happen to say something you like, credibility is obviously not something you value very much.

When you can't form an argument that isn't filled with obvious logical fallacies which you either can't see or don't care about, your own credibility is not something you value.

I didn't get to respond to your post to me on the other thread before it got locked, but I agree that that kind of behavior is unacceptable, especially coming from a self-identified feminist.

I took it more as being insulted for being a woman and laughing at the men's jokes...I think. No telling anymore.

I didn't think they would survive a week after Meta shut down. I can't imagine any other group, even if they were just irritating as opposed to offensive would be tolerated.

That, for them, would be validation. You see it every time they come in here, hurl a few grenades, and run. But most people here can't be bothered to alert on them as much as they alert on others.

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I'll admit I was the one that alerted on the post. I never had anyone on my jury blacklist, and since the jury system went into effect have probably sent under 15 alerts and they were mostly on trolls.

I have since updated my jury blacklist as I'm fairly certain those who get all wound up over personal attacks and certain words were on the jury that let it stand 4-2. I still have the results in my inbox.

My post wasn't finished but somehow got sent as I was interrupted by that crazy/awesome finish by the Patriots.

Sorry, wasn't trying to rub it in about the Pats as I know you aren't a fan, it's just my post ended mid-sentence.

They have become quite predictable.

scooch over

I posted a video with a strong Feminist message in the Feminist Group and was greeted with:




http://www.democraticunderground.com/113910612#post3

The one who lit into me was NOT supported by a chorus of "Yes-women".

They thanked me for reaching out. Imagine THAT!

is that at least seaglass has the opportunity to respond to me in this forum AND I did not call her out in my post.

Unlike the HOF where they actually USE our names and call us out AND we cannot respond since we are blocked.

Seaglass, you could have come here and apologized for being a jerk to me -the jury apparently felt you were so as well, 6-0, but you didn't. All you can do is huff and puff and act offended. That's called victim-blaming.

Respond or not to this, I care not one whit.

Turned inward it is an unconquerable enemy.

-- Master Splinter

....you are one of the most intelligent, wittiest, and yet still generally polite posters on DU. Really, nothing you say is hide-worthy, because unfortunately for some people, calling out total bullshit is not a hideable offense to the rankin file DUer.

I was like damn, this is still alive...then laughing (god forbid) at some more of your responses after the wagons circled (you called it) and your video of the movie The Room.

I never heard of that movie...funny!

Wow. Wowwy wow.

I wonder if they'll get a trademark on that.

Apparently one troll is enough to tip all scales.

For those that clicked, the pleasure of a great song:

Love the 4 minute mark!