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(47,487 posts)
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:41 PM Dec 2012

Benefits Leader (IBM) Reins In 401(k)s

From the WSJ

By KELLY GREENE

International Business Machines Corp., IBM +1.19% a bellwether for employee benefits, is overhauling its retirement program to contribute once a year to employee 401(k) accounts in a lump-sum payment. Starting next year, IBM's contributions, which generally range from 6% to 10% of pay, will take place Dec. 31. Workers who leave the company before Dec. 15 won't qualify for the match, unless they retire.

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Financial planners say the lump-sum contributions undermine one big advantage of 401(k) plans: "dollar-cost averaging," in which investors are buying stock and bonds at multiple prices over time, leveling out risk and return. It is a particular concern for older workers who are closer to retirement and have less time to make up for short-term losses.

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All told, about 9% of employers pay out their 401(k) match once a year. But most of those employers have older plans that never switched to regular matches. What is more, annual matches frequently are tied to a company's profits, with workers getting a larger percentage when a company does well and less when business wanes said Brigitte Madrian, a professor of public policy and corporate management at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government.

Ms. Madrian added that Labor Department and U.S. Treasury officials "could be very interested in [IBM's move] and if they're concerned about it, they could say, 'You can't do that.' " She said the agencies could devise rules precluding IBM and other companies from depriving employees who leave before a set date of their matching contributions. For now, the risk for employees in 401(k) plans is that other companies will follow IBM's lead.

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Benefits Leader (IBM) Reins In 401(k)s (Original Post) question everything Dec 2012 OP
Well, that'll make it easier to screw people BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #1
Should've Seen It Coming! trublu992 Dec 2012 #2
Sign The Petition to stop IBM's 401K grab OutNow Dec 2012 #3
My husband's company USED to do that but have now changed to matching payday to payday. RiverSong Dec 2012 #4
As it should be question everything Dec 2012 #5
We used to get ours every paycheck but now are quarterly. dkf Dec 2012 #6
Bad business... JLII Dec 2012 #7

BeyondGeography

(39,375 posts)
1. Well, that'll make it easier to screw people
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:56 PM
Dec 2012

The first and primary goal of any benefits re-work.

Think how attractive it'll be to lay people off before the holidays. Oh, the savings.

trublu992

(489 posts)
2. Should've Seen It Coming!
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:05 PM
Dec 2012

this is what happens when you allow companies to gut the pension system. Now they going to push for accessing employee 401k funds earlier and matching employee contributed funds only on a lump sum basis.

OutNow

(864 posts)
3. Sign The Petition to stop IBM's 401K grab
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:12 PM
Dec 2012

IBM has been destroying their USA employees since 1995, even as profits continue to be measured in the billions.

This has been done in steps

1. reduce defined benefit pensions
2. take away defined benefit pensions and introduce cash balance pensions and end life time health benefits
3. end pensions and substitute with increased employer contribution to 401K
4. decrease the employer contribution to 401K by delaying funding until the end of the fiscal year

In the meantime they have

1. fired thousands of USA employees every year until their are more IBM employees in India than there are in the USA
2. "reband" USA employees to a lower ranking and decrease their salary
3. etc. etc.

That is why IBM employees have been trying to form a union. Learn more at:

http://www.endicottalliance.org/

And sign the petition to stop this outrageous practice

 

RiverSong

(35 posts)
4. My husband's company USED to do that but have now changed to matching payday to payday.
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:32 AM
Dec 2012

It was the same in that if you quit or were fired before the EOY they didn't have to pay out. It always seemed like another corporate setup but they had to change back when there were acquired by another company which didn't do that.

When does it end?

Will workers ever be more valuable to US companies again?

I doubt it.

Unless you're a Wall Street Financial Adviser or Banker... or CEO I guess.


question everything

(47,487 posts)
5. As it should be
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 01:24 PM
Dec 2012

The worst - happened during the recession - is when companies do deduct contributions from employees' paychecks but kinda borrow the sum instead of immediately deposit in the saving accounts.

 

JLII

(11 posts)
7. Bad business...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:05 AM
Dec 2012

The proper regulatory response is to require lump sum deposits January 1 or the first day of each quarter, then put all costs of adjustments for departing employees onto corporations. That requirement would be fair and keep accountability where it belongs, with the power behind the money.

More to the point - where are regulators on this? - where is government on this? - where is US leadership on this?

From Garn-St Germain in 1982 through NAFTA and Clinton's "modernization" acts Democrats too stupid to understand downstream effects and too morally depraved to admit they didn't know that, enthusiastically supported the destruction of the blue collar middle class in America. The reason for this paragraph is to support my belief IBM faces no serious challenges to doing whatever they want to do because both parties and the supreme court (KELO and Citizens United are both corporatist rulings delightfully playing into popular fantasies there are still two parties) accept legal nonsense like the bloodless corporate "person".

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