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elleng

(130,974 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:54 PM Nov 2014

Warning Signs From Commodity Prices

For many consumers and businesses the recent drop in commodity prices has provided a tidy windfall — one analyst estimated that the typical American household would save $400 a year thanks to lower gasoline prices. But the tumbling price of fuels, metals and other commodities is also sending a warning about the global economy.

Over all, commodity prices have fallen nearly 15 percent since late June, according to a Bloomberg index. Last week, the price of crude oil dropped to a four-year low, about $74 a barrel, down from about $107 a barrel in June. The prices of metals like copper, platinum and silver have also fallen sharply since the summer.

The decline can partly be explained by economic changes taking place in China. In the last two decades, the country has been gobbling up the world’s coal, iron ore, copper, oil and other commodities to build new cities and fuel its booming economy, which grew at an average pace of nearly 10 percent a year for three decades. But that growth rate has now slowed, and with it China’s demand for raw materials. This year, the country will grow at 7.4 percent, according to the International Monetary Fund.

The world had anticipated China’s economic transition, but it was much less prepared for stagnation in Japan and in much of Europe.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/16/opinion/sunday/warning-signs-from-commodity-prices.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=c-column-top-span-region&region=c-column-top-span-region&WT.nav=c-column-top-span-region&_r=0

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Warning Signs From Commodity Prices (Original Post) elleng Nov 2014 OP
I see this as hopeful for the planet gilpo Nov 2014 #1
Yes, generally true, elleng Nov 2014 #2
Interesting. The amazing thing is that the deflationary pressure Warpy Nov 2014 #3
Right, how the hell long. elleng Nov 2014 #4
Who was the gold bug here couple of years back golfguru Nov 2014 #5
I know, the sky was the limit Warpy Nov 2014 #6

gilpo

(708 posts)
1. I see this as hopeful for the planet
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:01 PM
Nov 2014

We cannot continue to increase consumption infinitely; drop in demand is a good place to start the decrease (better than scarcity). Consumption has to level off, then decline at some point soon, survival of our species depends on it.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
2. Yes, generally true,
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:04 PM
Nov 2014

but the world is a big and troubled place, and there are millions of underfed people.

Warpy

(111,275 posts)
3. Interesting. The amazing thing is that the deflationary pressure
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 04:13 PM
Nov 2014

is extending to gold, which means institutional investors have realized the ride is over and a hedge against inflation doesn't work very well during periods of deflation.

The only question is how long it's going to take the big money boys to realize the golden goose isn't capital at the top, it's wages at the bottom.

 

golfguru

(4,987 posts)
5. Who was the gold bug here couple of years back
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:44 PM
Nov 2014

When gold was $1800, the poster was super bullish.
Have not heard a peep from her lately.

Warpy

(111,275 posts)
6. I know, the sky was the limit
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:56 PM
Nov 2014

I'm surprised it's still near $1200, that still keeps it so far ahead of inflation that it will likely take decades for inflation to catch up to it.

With China entering their own deflationary period, they're likely to dump it while they can.

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