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marmar

(77,090 posts)
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:03 PM Jun 2015

Icahn warns market is ‘extremely overheated’


(MarketWatch) Activist investor Carl Icahn took to Twitter and CNBC Wednesday to issue a stark warning to investors: “I think the public is walking into a trap again as they did in 2007,” Icahn told CNBC.

Specifically, the 79-year-old investor warned of a bubble in high-yield debt. The prominent investor joins a chorus of voices pointing at frothiness in the so-called junk-bond market, including DoubleLine Capital founder Jeff Gundlach.

In two tweets published on Wednesday, Icahn cautioned against listening to so-called permabulls, saying the 2008 crisis might have been avoided if more investors had warned about the risk of a bubble in 2007, as he is attempting to do now.

On Monday, Los Angeles-based bond fund manager Jerry Cudzil, head of U.S. credit trading at TCW Group, told Bloomberg that he is also building up a big cash stockpile to brace for a bond-market selloff. ..................(more)

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/icahn-warns-market-is-extremely-overheated-2015-06-24




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Icahn warns market is ‘extremely overheated’ (Original Post) marmar Jun 2015 OP
He's talking about the "high yield" bond market - junk bonds. BillZBubb Jun 2015 #1
It will kill some rats, mostly pscot Jun 2015 #2
Don't pension funds typically invest in high yield bonds? enlightenment Jun 2015 #3
For the most part, pension funds are restricted to "investment grade" bonds. BillZBubb Jun 2015 #5
Thank you for the reply. enlightenment Jun 2015 #6
He wouldn't say that if it were still trending up Warpy Jun 2015 #4

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
1. He's talking about the "high yield" bond market - junk bonds.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:08 PM
Jun 2015

Not too many average Joe's are invested in junk bonds, so the public really isn't walking into this. A bubble bursting in the junk bond market isn't going to produce anything like 2007.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
3. Don't pension funds typically invest in high yield bonds?
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jun 2015

If so, I'd say a significant portion of the public is being led into it.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
5. For the most part, pension funds are restricted to "investment grade" bonds.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:39 PM
Jun 2015

Those are usually rated AA+ or better. I don't know of any large pension funds that allow buying junk bonds. That doesn't mean there are not any, but I would suspect it is rare.

Warpy

(111,339 posts)
4. He wouldn't say that if it were still trending up
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jun 2015

but it's been flat for weeks, barely above and below an 18,000 Dow.

Having finally realized the party is over (I figured that out in April), he's looking for another bubble for his billions.

Good luck, buddy, the only way to create bubbles is to have a strong middle class with cash or unlimited credit to invest in them. None of these conditions exist now. The present stock market bubble was created by the government through quantitative easing. That tap is no longer functional and unless the billionaires and the banksters can talk the government into printing more funny money for them, they're about to get hosed.

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