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no more banksters

(395 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:46 PM Feb 2016

The EFD-IMF destroyers seek to finish Greece

Since the Greek economy has been systematically destroyed by the European Financial Dictatorship (EFD) and the IMF mafia the last five years, transforming the country into a debt-enslaved colony, the Greeks are left with little options inside this landscape of total destruction.

While many young, highly-educated Greeks fleeing abroad to seek a better future, others, are turning to agricultural sector as one of the few economy sectors that could provide a job and an opportunity of self-employment.

Well, guess what. The EFD-IMF representatives demand from the Greek government to proceed in further raise in tax and social security contributions for all professional categories, including farmers. The officials of the Greek government supposedly negotiate with the representatives, but there is no negotiation in reality. The prerequisites have been already decided since last summer when Tsipras retreated and forced to sign a 3rd catastrophic memorandum after the financial coup by the ECB against Greece.

These raises will be the definite professional death for many small-medium farmers, who inside this landscape of destruction, already struggle to survive. Everything proves that the policies promoted seek to eliminate small-medium businesses to open the road to multinational cartels in every sector.

http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2016/02/the-efd-imf-destroyers-seek-to-finish.html

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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
1. Oh, poor widdle Greece.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:01 PM
Feb 2016

All it wanted was to cook books and falsify financial and political documents and get away with it.

And for that the IMF and the ECB behaved as if Greece would try to weasel its way out of responsibility as soon as it would get some leeway.

I say, everybody who commits financial fraud while living large deserves a second chance!

no more banksters

(395 posts)
2. The obsolete
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:19 PM
Feb 2016

mainstream media narratives used from the beginning of the crisis to distract the public from the enormous responsibilities of the banking mafia. German, French and Greek banks were saved with billions while Greece literally destroyed.

Get over with the mainstream media propaganda. Won't work anymore.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
3. And where did Greece's financial problems in 2009 come from?????????????????????????????????????????
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 07:29 AM
Feb 2016

Funny how the Greece-apologists never approach that question.

- how Greece falsified financial documents to the ECB to qualify for Eurozone-entry
- how Greece kept submitting falsified documents to hide this from the ECB
- how Greece hired Goldman Sachs to hide their debts via creative accounting

This isn't propaganda or narrative. There are documents, there are witnesses and even former greek politicians freely admit to it.




Counter-question:
If Greece is the innocent victim in this, what was the cause for their financial crash in 2009?

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. Not really. Everybody was dodging taxes back there. And it was just one of many problems.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:48 AM
Feb 2016

Everbody dodged taxes. Everybody. Not just the 1% boogeyman.

The greek bureaucracy was notoriously overstaffed, inefficient, incompetent and a cushy do-nothing-and-get-paid job for relatives and friends.
Everybody bribed them to get shit done in a reasonable time. Everybody.
Need a surgery-appointment? You better bring a bribe.
A house-warden once cleaned out an elevator-shaft in a hospital: the whole bottom of the shaft was covered in discarded envelopes that were used for bribes.



The problem is: Greece was living beyond its means. Top-notch military equipment to always be ahead of Turkey. Ever-growing social expenditures to keep the population complacent. Massive tax-evasion on all levels of society. Graft, corruption.

 

ErisDiscordia

(443 posts)
6. Are the peasants supposed to lie down and die for the 1%?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:53 AM
Feb 2016

Or do they follow their leaders' example?

If the rich were dodging taxes, openly, would the Americans meekly make up the gap? Why do you think Bernie Sanders is overcoming Hillary Clinton?

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
7. Well, where were the greek whistleblowers?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:22 AM
Feb 2016

Fromm the year 2000, when Greece started submitting falsified numbers to the ECB, to the year 2009, when the crash revealed that Greece had cooked the books, why did no whistleblower come forward?

Why did nobody come forward and say:
"No way those tax-numbers are correct."
"You wouldn't believe the tax-loopholes rich people get in Greece."
"Who here takes paying taxes actually seriously?"
"How come the greek bureaucracy is so big for such a small country?"



The 99% were in on the deal. They knew it. And they kept their mouths shut because it was a sweet life and nobody wanted to ruin that.

no more banksters

(395 posts)
8. "why did no whistleblower come forward?"
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:32 AM
Feb 2016

Because the European Financial Dictatorship wanted an excuse to declare economic war on Greece and transformed it into a debt-enslaved colony. That's why.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
9. Oh, the ECB is capable of time-travel?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:52 AM
Feb 2016

I'm talking about the origins of the greek financial crisis. I'm talking about the years 2000 to 2009 when they forged financial documents to the ECB and cooked their books.

Why did nobody from within Greece blow the lid on that scheme?

no more banksters

(395 posts)
10. Because all the political establishment was sold off to the eurocrats
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:33 AM
Feb 2016

The corrupted political system was taking huge bribes to manipulate public concerning the euro. There was no referendum. They didn't ask Greek people if they want to join euro. And besides, they were many voices back then who were warning of the disaster that will come for Greece inside euro. The banking-media establishment buried their voices.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
12. You must be oblivious to what's been taking place. Sure there were corrupt politicians in
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:41 PM
Feb 2016

Greece paving the way for the oligarchs to approve the loans they knew all too well could never and would never be repaid.

This is classic Shock Doctrine & and steps to it are always the same, and the results are always the same.

If you aren't outraged, you aren't paying attention. The Greek people never had a choice in any of this, all of the decisions that brought them into this tragedy were made by big money buying influence and approving loans for predatory gain.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
14. You Greece-apologists obviously think that history began in the year 2009. But it didn't.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 01:17 PM
Feb 2016

Greece's borrow-and-spend policy began in the 1970s. And nobody cared.

Greece cooked its books in 2000 to join the Eurozone as a matter of prestige. And the greek politicians thought they would get their house in order one day and be able to stop cooking their books one day.

Greece hired Goldman Sachs to hide their debts with creative accounting.




It's very simple:
Greece lied.
Greece forged financial documents.
Greece lied to its closest allies and falsified political documents.

The ECB and the IMF had no fucking reason whatsoever to believe that, after 9 years of lies, Greece was all of a sudden telling the truth.

The ECB and the IMF had no fucking reason whatsoever to believe that, after 9 years of lies, Greece wouldn't continue forging documents and weasel its way out of reforms.

That's why german finance-minister Schäuble insisted on a comprehensive deal that covered all financial areas of Greece. Varoufakis would have prefered quick action and a million quick&dirty-solutions. Varoufakis' solution would have been better for Greece, but for the ECB and the IMF it also would have meant trusting the word of a habitual liar.

Lending Greece money before meaningful reforms were enacted would have meant pissing away millions and billions of Euros, THEIR MONEY, into a swamp of mismanagement, graft and corruption.




Yeah, the financial situation in Greece sucks.
Yeah, the ECB and the IMF are too harsh with Greece.
But the reason for that isn't some world-domination scheme of some boogeyman.
The reason is simply that none of the organisations tasked with rescuing Greece had the luxury of believing Greece.

DemReadingDU

(16,000 posts)
16. Links please
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 01:31 PM
Feb 2016

Where is the proof the Greece hired Goldman Sachs to hide their debts with creative accounting?
Perhaps it is the other way around, that Goldman Sachs wanted Greece in the EU for the monetary gain of investment bankers?

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