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elleng

(130,980 posts)
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 04:47 PM Apr 2018

Supreme Court Divided on Sales Taxes for Online Purchases.

'A closely divided Supreme Court struggled on Tuesday to decide whether internet retailers should have to collect sales taxes in states where they have no physical presence.

Brick-and-mortar businesses have long complained that they are disadvantaged by having to charge sales taxes while many of their online competitors do not. States have said that they are missing out on tens of billions of dollars in annual revenue under a 1992 Supreme Court ruling that helped spur the rise of internet shopping.

By the end of arguments on Tuesday, it was not clear whether there were five votes to overrule the 1992 decision, Quill Corporation v. North Dakota, which said the Constitution bars states from collecting sales taxes from companies that do not have a substantial connection to the state.

Several justices expressed concerns about imposing crushing burdens on small businesses that sell goods on the internet and about making them liable for back taxes. Justice Sonia Sotomayor said the case before the court, South Dakota v. Wayfair, No. 17-494, raised “a host of questions” and “a whole new set of difficulties.”

Sounding almost plaintive, she added that Congress, rather than the Supreme Court, was the right forum in which to settle the matter.

"Is there anything we can do to give Congress a signal that it should act more affirmatively in this area?” Justice Sotomayor asked.

But Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. said that “it would be very strange for us to tell Congress it ought to do something in any particular area.”

Both he and Justice Elena Kagan said the fact that Congress has so far chosen not to act was itself a telling indication that it was satisfied with the current system.

The chief justice added that the marketplace may already be addressing the problem.

“The bigger e-commerce companies find themselves with a physical presence in all 50 states,” he said, “so they’re already covered.”

The tenor of the argument was a surprise, as three members of the Supreme Court had indicated that they may be ready to reconsider the Quill decision. Justices Clarence Thomas and Neil M. Gorsuch have written about their uneasiness with the ruling and the constitutional justifications for it.

Justice Gorsuch seemed prepared on Tuesday to reconsider the Quill decision. “Why should this court favor a particular business model?” he asked.'>>>

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/17/business/justices-divided-on-sales-taxes-for-online-purchases.html?

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Supreme Court Divided on Sales Taxes for Online Purchases. (Original Post) elleng Apr 2018 OP
I run a tiny internet business and only collect sales tax for my state onlyadream Apr 2018 #1
One answer might be to impose a fixed-rate internet sales tax More_Cowbell Apr 2018 #2
A case to watch closely as it will have a huge impact Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #3
Right, and an 'issue' for a long time. elleng Apr 2018 #4
Most certainly Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #5
Many states already have a "use tax" for internet sales MichMan Apr 2018 #6

onlyadream

(2,166 posts)
1. I run a tiny internet business and only collect sales tax for my state
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 04:57 PM
Apr 2018

Once a year I have to do a report, find all the addresses in my state, google what county they’re in, and then go online to the state website and enter each one in. A HUGE pain in the ass!! If I had to do this for every sale I would close up shop because this is not how I want to spend my time. There has to be a better way.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
2. One answer might be to impose a fixed-rate internet sales tax
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:18 PM
Apr 2018

To combat the argument that it would be hard to collect the correct sales tax from everyone.

Many states require the buyer to pay "use tax" (the equivalent of sales tax, for sales that weren't taxed) on their personal income tax returns (my state, California, does this).

If a law passes, I'm sure a tax software developer will figure out how to impose the correct tax. In fact, I can't believe there's not one already.

The argument that small retailers will go out of business doesn't really hold water with me. No one has a right to keep doing the same job they've always done. Just ask miners and loggers.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
5. Most certainly
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:56 PM
Apr 2018

I can see both sides of this argument and have had to deal with it as the owner of a small hobby store years ago. In those pre-internet days I was just up against direct sales by the manufactures of the product I sold. They didn't reduce their prices from MSRP, but a person ordering could save the sales tax although that would likely be eaten up by shipping (and free shipping was hard to find).

I also deal with it now as well as I suspect most of us do. Today for example I found a couple of paint sample jars at Home Depot marked down to 50 cents each and the total came to $1.11 when I checked out or 11% sales tax (state, county & municipal and I thought to myself it's little wonder that people shop online to save themselves some money where they can do so. A discussion I have had with my Councilman at each and every "Let's pass a 1/2 cent sales tax for this or that issue that my Municipality needs money to address".

I personally try to avoid Amazon whenever possible for things having read how they treat their workforce, but I do find them handy for "show rooming" in reverse. They are a great reference on not only what is available, how much and for reviews of those items. Sometimes they do come out as the only real source for an item, but whenever possible I will buy it direct or from a reputable Retailer either online or in my community. Shopping anymore is something of a balancing act as I guess it always has been.

MichMan

(11,939 posts)
6. Many states already have a "use tax" for internet sales
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:44 PM
Apr 2018

Michigan has a 6% "Use tax" for on line purchases that is a seperate line items on tax returns

The latest figure I could find indicated only 2.5 % of taxpayers paid anything. Sales taxes in Michigan fund schools as well as other important state services. Failure to pay the 'Use Tax" essentially steals money from education.

Where are all those people who demand everyone pay their fair share? Apparently it only applies to everyone but them. Hypocritical bastards


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