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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 01:55 PM Jan 2020

Harley-Davidson's Slow Decline Is Getting Hard To Watch

MOTORCYCLES
Harley-Davidson's Slow Decline Is Getting Hard To Watch

Erik Shilling
Yesterday 9:00PM • Filed to: HARLEY-DAVIDSON

Harley knows what it’s future looks like with, perhaps by as soon as next year, more sales internationally than in the U.S., the continuation of a long-term trend. It’s desperately trying to prop up U.S. sales, but the LiveWire hasn’t been selling great, and its core demo is aging out. Revenue numbers for 2019 released today were also a lot worse than expected.

Let’s go to Reuters first off for some of the numbers:

Motorcycle revenue fell an annual 8.5% to $874.1 million in the December quarter, faster than a 3.4% fall predicted by analysts in a Refinitiv survey.

Its shares, after falling as much as 7%, pared losses to trade 2.5% lower at $33.96 on Tuesday afternoon.

[...]

Its bike sales in America last year were the lowest in at least 16 years. Falling sales in the past 12 quarters have forced the company to tighten the supply of its bikes to prevent price discount pressure and protect profit.

In 2019, the shipment volume of its bikes in the United States was the lowest in at least two decades. Global shipments were the lowest since 2010.

In a reflection of the demographic headwind, the motorcycle maker’s stock price has declined by 44% in the past five years. By comparison, the S&P 500 Index .SPX has gained 63%.

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Per the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

“These are declines on top of declines on top of declines. Years of declines,” said analyst Brian Yarbrough with Edward Jones Co. “If we hit a recession in the next two years, then all of their (sales) targets are off the table. There is no way they are going to hit those targets then.”

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Harley-Davidson's Slow Decline Is Getting Hard To Watch (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2020 OP
I think they priced their products out of the reach lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #1
The Harley Target Buyer is Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #2
I bought a new one in '77 for $3200. defacto7 Jan 2020 #3
And they're going to fall even further jmowreader Jan 2020 #4
Also SoCalNative Jan 2020 #5
The kids seem to like noisy motorcycles jmowreader Jan 2020 #6
Good Article!! MorePrepared Feb 2020 #7

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
1. I think they priced their products out of the reach
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:03 PM
Jan 2020

of most of their core demograhic.

Not to mention that the mid life crisis boomers are now old boomers


 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
2. The Harley Target Buyer is
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:28 PM
Jan 2020

no longer available in big numbers. Millennial's are not Harley Customers. The thought of a 32k hunk of Iron sitting in the Garage does not compute. And if the weather sucks,it just sits there collecting dust and costing mega bucks to insure.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
3. I bought a new one in '77 for $3200.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:56 PM
Jan 2020

Rode it 30,000 miles and sold it in '80 for $4200.
Now a similar model costs $30k? That's crazy.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
4. And they're going to fall even further
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:44 PM
Jan 2020

Harley’s biggest problem: the young people coming into motorcycle age today don’t like the motorcycles they make.

Forget the “they’re too expensive” argument. They are, but that’s not the issue. Millennials are finding the money for Teslas, which are far more expensive than Harleys.

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
5. Also
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:23 PM
Jan 2020

they are far too noisy. Perhaps once electric motorcycles that are quiet become the norm...

But I doubt that they will last that long.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
6. The kids seem to like noisy motorcycles
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:59 PM
Jan 2020

However...I’ve seen these three patches:

“Harleys don’t vibrate, they throb.”
“Harleys don’t leak oil, they mark their spot.”
“Harleys don’t lose parts, they leave a trail so you can find your way home.”

Your average first-time motorcycle buyer will look at these three signs and think, “you really want me to spend that much money on a bike that shakes, leaks oil and falls apart?”

Sonny Barger put it best: “The stupidest thing the Hells Angels ever did was staying with Harley after the big Japanese motorcycles came out. Harley is not a quality motorcycle.”

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