Education
Related: About this forumMy kids have attended a private school, a charter school, and a public high school.
I've been reading in this group for a while but didn't want to post because I am not an educator. I've been reading the threads about charter vs. not charter, and I wanted to share the experience of my family.
My children attended a private school from preschool through middle school. It was not a Montessori, but the philosophy was somewhat similar. I guess you could call it an "alternative" school. The focus was on experiential, hands-on teaching that was based around projects. There were no grades, just written evaluations.
One of my sons wanted/needed a different kind of school (one with more structure for one thing), so we moved him into an inner-city charter school that was about 30% African American, 30% recent Latino immigrants, and 30% white. It was founded by a group of parents and teachers who wanted an alternative to the public schools. The school operated on a shoestring, but the teachers were deeply committed and during the first two years I felt that my son learned a lot. Then the school, in financial straits, sold itself to a for-provide chain of charters, which built a much larger building and doubled the enrollment. My son's 8th grade year was a disaster. The school had expanded too quickly, with too little consideration for high-quality teaching and commitment of students. Some of newly hired teachers literally could barely read or write - I was shocked by some of the materials that were sent home. Every morning the police arrested gang members in the halls. There was constant disruption and violence. My son learned almost nothing.
Both my kids then went to a large suburban public high school with a very diverse student body. They learned a lot and did well in AP courses. They're in college now.
I guess my point in posting this is that there are a lot of options, a lot of models out there, and each one has its pros and cons.
elleng
(130,964 posts)You've stated clearly my thoughts, and some of my experiences, clearly.
yardwork
(61,649 posts)I just decided it might be helpful to share my family's experience.
elleng
(130,964 posts)including among Charters. My daughters, after 'alternative-type' early education, attended parochial school(s), and we were happy with the schools' ability and interest in focusing on individual students.
Good friends/neighbors attended a good charter (in DC,) sounds like yours, which closed too soon. They ended up in public high school (Maryland) and one to Cornell, the other to U. Md, both doing fine public service work, as young adults.
Its possible, but its not easy.
rfranklin
(13,200 posts)who see all that tax money and are using so called schools to syphon off as much as they can. This is a cruel hoax perpetrated on desperate parents who want a good education for their children and the best results for their tax dollars.
Many politicians are assisting in this swindle because they are bribed with campaign contributions and other emoluments.
It must be stopped.
elleng
(130,964 posts)and not likely it will be stopped in today's $$$ environment.
eppur_se_muova
(36,266 posts)Or are some "nonprofits" paying out absurd salaries and bonuses to "consultants", rather than reporting profits ?
I would stay away from for-profit schools; they should be called "corporate" schools.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)There is a huge variation in charters and you illustrated that well. State regs also vary. I suspect charters in your state are not required to hire certified teachers. That's the policy in my state.
In my city, we have 20 charters. One has consistently done well for 10 years. Another has improved in the last couple years. The other 18 are not succeeding. They serve 10,000 kids and the traditional public school district serves 15,000.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)It's too bad that they had to sell to a chain. The profit motive does not have a place in education, imo.
I work in a high school that is a model for teacher-driven reform, that has great buy-in from the community. It was part of Stanford's redesign project for education. It has some bumps, and I think our scores went down this year, so that will probably be a focus of concern in the new academic year. Sadly the drive for high-test scores takes priority in the US. I would love all students to go to learning-driven schools, with lab schools and schools for focusing on vocation or avocation as the student might like.
yardwork
(61,649 posts)It's the main reason my kids were in private and then a charter school. I believe that constant testing is a form of child abuse. Both my kids are bright but anxious people - they don't need the added stress of test after test after test. None of those tests actually measure real world performance anyway.
The focus on testing is one of my biggest issues with public education in the U.S.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)This year was really one of the worst. Kids looked ill all during the month of April, during STAR testing. Parent groups are starting to organize an opt-out movement, which is great. I hope it catches fire!
http://www.fairtest.org/get-involved/opting-out
Parents Across America is also a fabulous group:
http://parentsacrossamerica.org/what-we-believe/
mopinko
(70,120 posts)we homeschooled for 8 years, unschooled really. my kids did great on some tests and sucked on others. in the end they all have amazing brains, which is what i was trying to build.
test scores tell you damn little.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)in each of those models, you will find more and less successful schools.
I am an educator. I attended mostly public schools, with a couple of private schools in the mix, in the 10 schools I attended K-12. I have taught in public schools and public "schools of choice;" not charters, but schools in the regular public school district that were not neighborhood schools, that offered alternative structure and methodology.
My experience has taught me a few things:
1. A small operation with deeply committed teachers and families will almost always outperform larger, more institutional type settings, regardless of the structure or methodology or philosophy. This is something that tptb definitely don't want to get any attention.
2. While some charter schools are worthy, the whole charter school movement is about privatizing public education, which is dangerous and destructive.
3. The same positive effects can be achieved through the regular public school system when there are fewer top-down mandates and policies, less standardization, and more flexibility at the local site level.
4. Most regular public schools would be thrilled to be given more flexibility and more autonomy to best serve their particular population of students.
5. The challenge is how to wrest the power away from the non-educators, the politicians, the deformers, and invest it in the actual stakeholders: the educators and the families they serve.
yardwork
(61,649 posts)I agree with all your points. The solution, it is clear to me, is not to privatize and take funds away from the public schools. Rather, the solution is to reform the public schools to make them better. I believe that the Obama administration's approach to this has been misguided. I don't agree with bigger and more testing.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Teachers know what we, and schools, need to better serve our students, but the "reformers" aren't educators. They have an entirely different agenda.
High-stakes testing doesn't accomplish anything positive for students, schools, or the system as a whole.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)most such "mom & pops".
Charters = "education deregulation," and just as the initial 'choice' in the deregulated airline industry ended with a much more limited 'menu,' much worse service, more fees for service & a lot of personal intrusion -- so will education deregulation -- schooling by impersonal globocorps unless you are super-rich.
yardwork
(61,649 posts)This is not going to be good for most human beings. Only the 1%.