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"Go into teaching. They'll always need teachers," I told my students... (Original Post) HiPointDem Sep 2012 OP
They'll always NEED teachers; they just don't want to pay them. mbperrin Sep 2012 #1
It's not the fact of the need, it's the size of the need that'll be the problem. Igel Sep 2012 #2
As I said, they don't want to pay them, so they sub with paras, assistants, volunteers, mbperrin Sep 2012 #3
the teachers are MWM958 Sep 2012 #4
I hope you're being sarcastic. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #5

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
1. They'll always NEED teachers; they just don't want to pay them.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 10:15 AM
Sep 2012

Long after I'm dead, perhaps some of my students will recall me saying, "Education is a cooperative enterprise, not a competition, and any attempt to make it such will end in disaster."

Igel

(35,425 posts)
2. It's not the fact of the need, it's the size of the need that'll be the problem.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 04:35 PM
Sep 2012

I'm going to try flipping my classroom a bit when all our of tech's finally distributed. Not for every unit, but for some.

Now, if you actually flip your classroom you need one presenter. You need one person to make up the "how-to" videos (at least in one form). Given the team approaches favored by many administrators you can quite easily get by with one person making up all the materials.

Then what's left is guiding the students though them, answering questions, grading their output. It's a lot easier to come up to speed on pre-packaged content than produce your own.

While observing at once school I saw the difference. One teacher handed stuff out. She knew the answers to the questions on the paper, knew the kinds of problems kids would have. She did what 5 other teachers did that day. Another teacher looked at it and said, "I can do better." What she did was different, based on her understanding of the subject and aspects that would tie more neatly in with her students needs. Had she not done better she'd have been in the dog house. A new teacher couldn't have done it simply because new teachers don't consistently "do better" when going solo.

My point is that it's quite easy to have a high school "team" that consists of one expert in the field and 4 or 5 quasi-aides, people who know a bit more than a para but don't need to pass full content exams. Look for this in 10 years, if the push for more tech works out.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
3. As I said, they don't want to pay them, so they sub with paras, assistants, volunteers,
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 08:24 PM
Sep 2012

and anyone else they can get cheaply.

I co-teach an inclusive classroom with another fully certified teacher, a sign language interpreter, and special education fully certified teachers in the sections which require them.

100% of my students come from the bottom 20% of the senior class, and all 100% have multiple risk factors for failure.

In the last 16 years, since Texas began requiring state scores to graduate, 98% of my students have passed those tests, compared to the state average of 95% in social studies, including all students, which means valedictorians and all.

I have a MAEd in adult and distance education, and I'm fully aware of the advantages and shortcomings of tech. Like anything else, it cannot be all things to all people.

There will always be a need for people to craft individual education programs, a need that canned programs and cheap personnel cannot meet. But as long as the current trend toward conformity and mediocrity holds, that's what we'll use.

I'm still waiting for the first longitudinal study to be done to show what we need to teach for our students to be happy, now and in their futures. Right now, we're running full speed down a highway to a destination unknown, unknown for at least 20 years, when students have had a chance to live some life.

Well, with all the "content" being taught now, I try to remind myself to stay the course on process, too. Mark Twain said it well:
Many public-school children seem to know only two dates--1492 and 4th of July; and as a rule they don't know what happened on either occasion.

MWM958

(6 posts)
4. the teachers are
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 01:01 PM
Sep 2012

just greedy for wanting healthcare coverage and comfortable pension. i mean, they only payed tens of thousands (probably more) in loans for their degree(s), they should shut up and work harder.

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