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NickB79

(19,271 posts)
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 10:05 AM Oct 2016

No country on Earth is taking the 2 degree climate target seriously

http://www.vox.com/2016/10/4/13118594/2-degrees-no-more-fossil-fuels

As you can see, in either scenario, global emissions must peak and begin declining immediately. For a medium chance to avoid 1.5 degrees, the world has to zero out net carbon emissions by 2050 or so — for a good chance of avoiding 2 degrees, by around 2065.

After that, emissions have to go negative. Humanity has to start burying a lot more carbon than it throws up into the atmosphere. There are several ways to sequester greenhouse gases, from reforestation to soil enrichment to cow backpacks, but the backbone of the envisioned negative emissions is BECCS, or bioenergy with carbon capture and sequestration.

BECCS — raising, harvesting, and burning biomass for energy, while capturing and burying the carbon emissions — is unproven at scale. Thus far, most demonstration plants of any size attaching CCS to fossil fuel facilities have been over-budget disasters. What if we can’t rely on it? What if it never pans out?

"If we want to avoid depending on unproven technology becoming available," the authors say, "emissions would need to be reduced even more rapidly."
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No country on Earth is taking the 2 degree climate target seriously (Original Post) NickB79 Oct 2016 OP
Moar windmills. Moar nuculars. GliderGuider Oct 2016 #1
That's a heck of a lot better plan than... FBaggins Oct 2016 #4
Also a heck of a lot better than... GliderGuider Oct 2016 #5
How ironic. FBaggins Oct 2016 #6
Glad you enjoyed it! GliderGuider Oct 2016 #9
And thus is the Fermi Paradox solved! n/t Binkie The Clown Oct 2016 #2
I think that the first paragraph is almost Trump-worthy. mackdaddy Oct 2016 #3
Cow Backpacks Trap Methane Gas July 11, 2008 kristopher Oct 2016 #7
Which no one is actually close to doing, but thanks for playing NickB79 Oct 2016 #8
"Which no one is actually close to doing, but thanks for playing" kristopher Oct 2016 #10
"taking it seriously" == "taking action commensurate with the scale and urgency of the problem" GliderGuider Oct 2016 #12
The peanut gallery always think they understand what's happening, but... kristopher Oct 2016 #13
1.5 billion cows would need a shitload of backpacks.... GliderGuider Oct 2016 #11
Cows aren't the problem. kristopher Oct 2016 #14
People are the problem. nt GliderGuider Oct 2016 #15
Are they "the problem" because of bad choices? FBaggins Oct 2016 #16
Reproduction isn't a choice pscot Oct 2016 #17
That's exactly my take on it. GliderGuider Oct 2016 #18

mackdaddy

(1,528 posts)
3. I think that the first paragraph is almost Trump-worthy.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:38 PM
Oct 2016

I keep seeing this 2050 quote for 1.5oC. We have been running over 1.2C THIS year 2016! If we did not burn another lump of coal we would go over 2C with what CO2 is and will be in the atmosphere for thousands of years.

A hydrogen economy, yea, that's the ticket.....

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
7. Cow Backpacks Trap Methane Gas July 11, 2008
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 05:15 PM
Oct 2016
Cow Backpacks Trap Methane Gas
July 11, 2008 by Lisa Zyga


(PhysOrg.com) -- .... Argentina has more than 55 million cows, making it a leading producer of beef. In the study, the scientists were surprised to discover that a standard 550-kg cow produces between 800 to 1,000 liters of emissions, including methane, each day.

...


"When we got the first results, we were surprised," said Guillermo Berra, a researcher at the National Institute of Agricultural Technology in Argentina. "Thirty percent of Argentina´s (total greenhouse) emissions could be generated by cattle."

In their study, the researchers attached balloon-like plastic packs to the backs of at least 10 cows. A tube running to the animals´ stomachs collected the gas inside the backpacks, which were then hung from the roof of the corral for analysis.

The Argentine researchers say that the slow digestive system of the cows causes them to produce these large amounts of methane. Now, the scientists are performing trials of new diets designed to improve the cows´ digestion and reduce global warming. By feeding cows clover and alfalfa instead of grain, "you can reduce methane emissions by 25 percent," according to Silvia Valtorta of the National Council of Scientific and Technical Investigations....

http://phys.org/news/2008-07-cow-backpacks-methane-gas.html

NickB79

(19,271 posts)
8. Which no one is actually close to doing, but thanks for playing
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 08:36 AM
Oct 2016
By feeding cows clover and alfalfa instead of grain, "you can reduce methane emissions by 25 percent,


And in many portions of the world, clover and alfalfa farming comes with it's own limitations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/15/almonds-california-drought_n_7073868.html

Alfalfa is raised almost exclusively to feed livestock. California provides more than 80 percent of the world’s almonds and just 2 percent of the world’s beef. But growing enough alfalfa to feed an animal for its lifetime — and enough water for the animal to drink — is a more water-demanding process than raising the nuts. A 2012 study on global water footprints published in the journal Ecosystems found that beef requires more water than any other agricultural product.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
10. "Which no one is actually close to doing, but thanks for playing"
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 11:50 AM
Oct 2016

Your unnecessary sarcasm aside, that was sort of the point.....

But, since we're on the topic, the OP is bullshit. There is a certain mindset that dedicates itself to gaining feelings of worth by denigrating those who are on the front lines working to make needed change happen. The type of person who acts that way - the type of person that wrote the OP article - are really just worthless assholes who are more of a hinderance than anything else. They certainly aren't advancing the cause they profess to support one iota.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
12. "taking it seriously" == "taking action commensurate with the scale and urgency of the problem"
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 12:12 PM
Oct 2016

I think the author is completely correct. As far as I can tell there is no action that can be taken that is commensurate with the scale and timeframe of the problem, i.e. going from 40 gigatonnes of CO2 to 0 within 35 years.

But then, nobody takes worthless assholes like me seriously either. They prefer just to keep nibbling around the edges of the problem and congratulating themselves on not being obstructionist. The contempt is entirely mutual.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
13. The peanut gallery always think they understand what's happening, but...
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 12:16 PM
Oct 2016

in truth, their take on an issue is most often moronic. That's why they're in the peanut gallery instead of on the field taking action.

FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
16. Are they "the problem" because of bad choices?
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:22 PM
Oct 2016

Or is it their mere existence that is the problem?

Note in advance... it's a cop out to say that it's their bad choices... but that the bad choice is their existence.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
17. Reproduction isn't a choice
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:53 PM
Oct 2016

it's a biological imperative. Individuals may not reproduce, but in the aggregate, we no more have a 'choice' than rabbits. The problem is our raw numbers. We've exceeded the carrying capacity of our planet.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
18. That's exactly my take on it.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 02:54 PM
Oct 2016

But here we are. Since we can't kill people, and we can't give everyone a first-world lifestyle, and we can't convince the first-world to adopt third-world lifestyles for the good of other species (or even for the sake of future generations of our own species) we're pretty much hooped.

So we keep nibbling at the edges of the problem and calling it progress. But of course it's not progress. It's camouflaged failure with built-in plausible deniability and a healthy shot of cognitive dissonance. And of course lots of denialism of various flavors to try and keep ourselves sane in the process.

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