home use in area where they have been prohibited.

https://www.tesla.com/powerwall

come up with more affordable, large batteries.

Here's the story in the NY Times:

Tesla Gives the California Power Grid a Battery Boost


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/business/energy-environment/battery-storage-tesla-california.html?_r=0



burfman...........................

...his ass while serving billionaires.

Those of us who can't help knowing the second law of thermodynamics, and also how useless and expensive the so called "renewable energy" solar scheme is, will not be impressed.

The trillions spent on solar energy, even without the thermodynamic nightmares known as "batteries" have lead to the highest observed use of dangerous fossil fuels ever observed.

It's going to get much worse before it get's better, and huge piles of lithium with flammable dimethyl carbonate rotting and leaching in the desert will be just another mess that future generations - the one's we're always hearing who will do what we have never come close to doing, living on 100% "renewable" energy - will need to clean up, while living on reduced resources, a destroyed climatic system, and who knows what else.

My prediction is that future generations will despise those of us living now, and well they should, since we deserve it.

At least we won't have to listen all the time about how that piece of shit for millionaires, the Tesla car, is a noble adventure, from as many people as we used to hear it from: Elon Musk's link with Trump could stall Tesla orders

The car was always a fraud, and now that the fraud spinner is hanging out all palsy walsy with the Fraud-in-Chief, the nonsense may be obviated for many, if not all.

Pushing down the cost of solar / wind and batteries is not easy, but it is happening.

Technology doesn't stay static, in the 19th century there were 100,000 to 200,000 horses in Manhattan each producing 15 to 30 pounds of manure a day which was a big health hazard. Needless to say we don't have this problem anymore. Solutions to produce safe, clean and cheap energy will happen no matter what the politics are like. Of course if we try maybe we can be there quicker.

Check out these wikipedia links and do some thinking....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_per_watt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source





burfman........

...in university libraries studying science and engineering.

My readings are a fuck load deeper than lazily googling my way to a Wikipedia web page.

I will not "chill out." I am irredeemably angry at what our generation has done to all future generations.

I've been hearing how wonderful solar and wind will be for more than 40 years, and it never is, but always will be.

Maybe for the first 25 years I heard it, I believed it or wanted to believe it, but sorry, reality is reality, especially if one isn't stoned.

I changed my mind. So called "renewable energy" is a dangerous fantasy, a kind of intellectual ambrosia that will merely strip the earth of resources for no real benefit.

Throwing trillions of dollars at this junk was a very, very, very, very, very, very bad idea, especially while directing it's faux "wonders-to-be" not at dangerous fossil fuels, which kill continuously on a grand scale, but at nuclear energy, which is the only form of energy that is sustainable.

The solar industry doesn't produce 2 of the 570 exajoules humanity consumes each year. If it was going to work, with all the dumbass cheering it's generated in the last 50 years, it would have worked.

It didn't work; it isn't working, and it won't work.

As for the horseshit about horses, well, I wrote about that a long time ago in another space: Smashing the Corporate Robber Baron Centralized Power System with Individual Power Systems.

Maybe you think that replacing horses with petroleum was a good idea. I don't agree. The car CULTure is not sustainable, and never will be sustainable and it is just another way in this generation is robbing all future generations.

Especially when gas is the primary source of energy on your electric grid.

Using nimble gas power plants to "fill in the gaps" will always be a more reasonable choice than batteries.

Batteries can fill in gaps of hours. Nimble gas power plants can fill in gaps of weeks. Solar and wind power systems frequently experience these sorts of gaps in production.

Besides all that, maybe this isn't the best use of our lithium resources. The mass of a stationary battery system just isn't as important as it is in cell phones or automobiles. It seems there might be better, more robust, and more massive battery chemistries for stationary use.