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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

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Mon Jan 8, 2018, 09:56 PM Jan 2018

Regulators kill Perrys proposal to prop up coal, nuclear power plants

The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) Monday rejected Energy Secretary Rick Perry’s proposal to prop up coal and nuclear power plants.

In a unanimous order released Monday afternoon, the five-person commission — four of whom President Trump nominated — said Perry and other supporters of the proposal failed to show that current electricity markets are not just or reasonable, findings that would be necessary in order to mandate the higher electricity payments that Perry sought.

The rejection is a major victory for natural gas, wind, solar and other industries that compete with coal and nuclear. They joined with conservative activists, environmentalists, grid experts, big businesses and others in opposition to the proposal.

But in a concession to coal and nuclear, FERC launched an effort to formally ask electric grid operators what they are doing, if anything, to ensure that their grids remain resilient, which was the goal of Perry’s plan.

http://thehill.com/energy-environment/367983-regulators-kill-perrys-proposal-to-prop-up-coal-nuclear-power-plants

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Regulators kill Perrys proposal to prop up coal, nuclear power plants (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2018 OP
Oops underpants Jan 2018 #1
It was a major victory for gas to be sure. NNadir Jan 2018 #2

NNadir

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2. It was a major victory for gas to be sure.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 10:25 PM
Jan 2018

The carbon dioxide output of a gas plant is about 500 grams per kwh.

The carbon dioxide output of a coal plant is about 1250 grams of carbon dioxide per kwh.

Nuclear plants typically are responsible for about 10 - 25 grams of carbon dioxide per kwh, roughly comparable to the failed and expensive wind and solar output as stand alone systems. The problem is that wind and solar are not now and never will be stand alone. They are useless without gas to back them up, and they are trivial forms of energy compared to gas. Combined they don't produce 10 of the 576 exajoules of energy humanity was consuming as of 2016.

Moreover, they greatly reduce the efficiency of gas plants that have the improvement of being combined cycle plants, causing the thermodynamic efficiency of these carbon dioxide generating and dumping machines from between 50-60% thermal efficiency to around 32-35% thermal efficiency. This of course, increases energy losses, further diluting the usefulness of the solar and wind future landfill bait.

The failure to subsidize nuclear plants because we are squandering vast sums of money on wind and solar is the reason that as of the 21st century the concentration of the dangerous fossil fuel waste is averaging increases of over 2.2 ppm per year.

One of the things that people who have almost no knowledge of environmental issues do is to lump nuclear with coal.

One form of energy is the only form of primary energy discovered and developed in the last 80 years, the discovery having been made by some of the finest minds of their century, men like Fermi - who built the world's first nuclear reactor - and Seaborg, who developed the chemistry of actinides and was co-discoverer of many of them.

Unlike people who lump coal and nuclear in a single hat, these men were world class thinkers, Seaborg having advised every President from Truman to Clinton, as well as having successfully been the chief negotiator of the 1963 Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.

Now, I am not denying that Rick Perry is an idiot. But if an idiot - even if the idiot is Rick Perry - prevents a human being from drowning, that doesn't mean that the human being must be drowned anyway because Rick Perry is an idiot.

Right now, on this planet, while people soak their brains in lies that the the so called "renewable energy" industry is significant, safe, or a real tool against climate change - it's non of these things - 7 million people are engaged in defacto drowning every year, inasmuch as this is the annual death toll from air pollution, not that anyone gives a shit how many people die from air pollution.

The two trillion dollar expenditure on wind and solar will result in two trillion dollars in landfill in 20 to 25 years, and a planet with a concentration of carbon dioxide that measures well over 450 ppm.

That should raise a good giggle I think.

Have a nice day tomorrow.

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