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Eugene

(61,900 posts)
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:25 PM Jan 2018

California governor pushes for 5 million zero-emission cars

Source: Associated Press

California governor pushes for 5 million zero-emission cars

By JONATHAN J. COOPER
44 minutes ago

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Gov. Jerry Brown on Friday outlined a $2.5 billion plan to subsidize electric vehicles and expand the network of charging stations as part of an ambitious goal of putting 5 million zero-emission vehicles on the road by 2030.

The goal, outlined in an executive order, is a significant expansion of Brown’s goal of selling 1.5 million zero-emission cars by 2025. It’s a nearly 15-fold increase over the 350,000 zero-emission vehicles currently on California’s roads.

It’s the latest step by Brown to advance his ambitious climate agenda during his final year in office. The $2.5 billion in spending still needs legislative approval.

Brown’s plan would expand subsidies to help people buy emission-free vehicles. It seeks to have 250,000 electric-vehicle charging stations and 200 hydrogen fueling stations.

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California governor pushes for 5 million zero-emission cars (Original Post) Eugene Jan 2018 OP
Hmm, will create jobs, improve the environment. Damn liberals. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #1
I can't let this go. There is no such thing as a HeartachesNhangovers Jan 2018 #2
Assuming the manufacturing costs are equal for each type, OxQQme Jan 2018 #3
Since it's the 21st century, to me the solution isn't HeartachesNhangovers Jan 2018 #4

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
1. Hmm, will create jobs, improve the environment. Damn liberals.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:29 PM
Jan 2018

Why dont we build oil and coal plants that destroy the environment like our president wants?

In fact i think about half the country wants less air.

2. I can't let this go. There is no such thing as a
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:40 PM
Jan 2018

zero-emission car. A pure electric car includes significant emissions involved in the manufacturing: all of the production and transportation emissions involved in making the parts, putting them together and also associated with the labor and sales force that makes, markets and sells the car. In addition, if it gets its power from a power plant, that power plant takes fossil fuel (in CA it almost always natural gas) and burns that fuel to generate electricity at an efficiency that could be as low as 30% for an older plant. In other words, you need to burn 1 cubic foot of natural gas for every 0.3 cubic foot worth of actual electricity that is generated.

Is a zero-emission car actually less polluting overall than a conventional car? I don't know; that would be a complicated analysis involving every step of production, sales and operation. But I do know that "zero-emission" is a lie that doesn't even come close to reflecting reality.

The only zero-emission car is the one that doesn't exist.

OxQQme

(2,550 posts)
3. Assuming the manufacturing costs are equal for each type,
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 08:02 PM
Jan 2018

one would then have to factor in the future, rather than the current 'now', of our electrical infrastructure.
California seems to be a leader in upgrading to renewable sources, and has always been at the forefront
of more stringent emission requirements for autos and trucks.
I would suggest that the overall cost per mile favors electricity regardless of it's source, considering the 'full' price
of a gallon of gasoline.



https://www.treehugger.com/solar-technology/solar-electric-car-charging-stations-fuel-sunshine.html

http://www.plugincars.com/ultimate-guide-electric-car-charging-networks-126530.html

Maybe a 'zero-er' emission frame would be more accurate.


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"The shift is possible in California partly because there’s a surplus of solar power, after a surge of rooftop panels and large-scale gathering systems helped double the renewable energy it used over the past decade. Batteries can charge up in daylight and dispense electricity later. With improved technology and lower costs, storage systems are becoming more viable for utilities, especially in a state hoping to get half its power from wind and solar by 2030 and targeting major cuts in greenhouse gas emissions.

“California is going to create a blueprint for the coming years,” said Michael Ferguson, the director of U.S. energy infrastructure at S&P Global Ratings in New York. “Renewables proliferated where there was supportive regulation, and that caused the costs to decline. I would expect to see the same thing to happen with battery storage.”

While natural gas became the biggest source of power in the U.S. two years ago -- it burns cleaner and more cheaply than coal -- regulators are looking to reduce carbon emissions to combat global warming and climate change. Gas now accounts for about a third of the country’s electricity, but renewables like solar and wind are expanding faster, doubling their share of the market over the past decade to a projected 17 percent last year, government data show."<

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/a-new-era-of-batteries-spells-trouble-for-gas-in-america/ar-AAuzerv?li=BBnbfcN

4. Since it's the 21st century, to me the solution isn't
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:13 PM
Jan 2018

different cars - even if they are electric - it's fewer cars. How about providing tax incentives for employers that shift their employees to working from home (even 1 day a week means 20% less commuting), or to provide carpool vans. Even if all the cars are electric, most urban highways in CA are already beyond capacity and in poor condition - that doesn't change if the cars are (not really)zero-emission. We need new thinking, not fake "zero-emission" cars.

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