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Eugene

(61,937 posts)
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:17 AM Aug 2018

Trump administration preparing to do away with Obama-era lightbulb rules, document says

Source: Washington Post

The Energy 202: Trump administration preparing to do away with Obama-era lightbulb rules, document says

By Dino Grandoni
August 8 at 8:31 AM

In the last days of President Barack Obama's administration, the Energy Department issued new rules attempting to make a wide swath of the lightbulbs illuminating U.S. homes and businesses more energy efficient. The move was cheered by environmentalists keen on the energy-saving potential but booed by conservatives who say it is not a bright idea to stop consumers from buying the lighting of their choice.

Now, the Trump administration appears to be ready to side with those incandescent die-hards, according to a document that was published on -- but then deleted from -- the Energy Department's website.

The document, discovered and saved by the Appliance Standards Awareness Project, indicates the Energy Department is preparing to repeal Obama-era rules that broadened the number of lightbulbs that must meet strict energy efficiency standards set to take effect in 2020.

“It’s certainly one of the biggest for energy efficiency standards, setting aside the clean-car standards,” said Andrew deLaski, executive director of the Appliance Standards Awareness Project.

The notice said the Obama administration “misconstrued existing law” with its January 2017 rules. The Energy Department declined to comment on the document, which may have been inadvertently published last month on the department's website before it was ready to roll out the new policy. “The Department does not comment on ongoing rulemakings beyond what is publicly available in the Unified Agenda published twice a year,” spokeswoman Shaylyn Hynes said.

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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-energy-202/2018/08/08/the-energy-202-trump-administration-preparing-to-do-away-with-obama-era-lightbulb-rules-document-says/5b69e49c1b326b0207955f99/

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Related: U.S. Department of Energy Categorical Exclusion Determination Form

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Zoonart

(11,875 posts)
1. BURN BURN BURN...
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:24 AM
Aug 2018

So busy burning everything down... and golfing.

Can we storm the Winter Palace yet?

FlightRN

(194 posts)
4. You can't but he will tell dipshits at one of his rallies
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:33 AM
Aug 2018

that a new factory will be opened in BFE to employ thousands of white males, whose sole responsibility is to produce and ship “trillions” of them. They will be the biggest, hottest, and best of all the bulbs. And the bubbas will grunt and cheer.

VMA131Marine

(4,145 posts)
5. You cannot easily get the pear shaped 60W incandescent bulbs anymore
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:35 AM
Aug 2018

Perhaps the 40W bulbs as well. But there are still lots of specialty bulbs that are incandescent. I don't understand why anyone would not be buying LED bulbs at this point.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
12. Roughly correct
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:02 PM
Aug 2018

The phasing out is going slowly. I'm not sure year to year what has been phased out.

I've been slow to switch mostly because I've bought in bulk and still have old ones in place.
Some are on dimmer switches and the LED's aren't working well with the old dimmers. You have to match the dimmer to the bulb. The halogens are going to be the next challenge. Haven't found good replacements that dim well with those yet either.

It'll take time but they are slowly disappearing. One of the things that will be happening is new homes, and major remodels will tend to be designed around the new bulbs. In part because of what industry is creating, and in part so new homes get good energy ratings. Truth is though, the TV's are the new energy hogs these days. Especially those 60 inch monsters.

murielm99

(30,754 posts)
13. We have a new light fixture in our kitchen.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:34 PM
Aug 2018

It takes specialty bulbs. The electrician who installed it told us that those bulbs are now available in LED. That is good to know for when we have to replace them.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. I remember some people with time on their hands complainiing about the slight delays...
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:32 AM
Aug 2018

with the first fluorescents, and I had a lot of complaints about color quality. The first LED lights weren't so hot, either.

But time marches on and the new stuff is just fine. Cheap to buy and cheaper to run. So what does this rule change accomplish? What is the point?

Halogen spots are the best for some display lighting, but other than that, who is clamoring for incandescent light bulbs?

Girard442

(6,082 posts)
6. I should start selling "America First" incandescent lightbulbs.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:36 AM
Aug 2018

They're made in China, cost $20 apiece, and burn out in less than a week -- but the package is red, white, and blue. The Deplorables would snap them up.

Nictuku

(3,616 posts)
8. My electric bill went WAY down when I switched over to all LED lights
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:41 AM
Aug 2018

They are daylight brighter, they don't heat up the house as much (very hot in the summer). I'll never go back.

randr

(12,413 posts)
9. Good luck with that one
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:57 AM
Aug 2018

Market for incandescents will be so small they will be priced out of reach. The lsos has no idea how the real world market works

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
10. With the much lower prices for LED's, plus their longevity, people will choose LED.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 10:16 AM
Aug 2018

The manufacturers aren't going to gear up to run incandescent bulbs.

kysrsoze

(6,022 posts)
11. LED's are already so cheap, way more efficient and long lasting.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 10:17 AM
Aug 2018

Hell, you can even drop an LED bulb and it doesn’t break. It’s done. Game over.

VMA131Marine

(4,145 posts)
14. An incandescent bulb converts 10% of the input energy into light
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:58 PM
Aug 2018

The rest is heat. An LED lamp converts 90% of the input electricity into light and lasts tens of thousands of hours. There is just no reason not to use them in most applications.

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