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hatrack

(59,587 posts)
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:33 AM Jan 2019

Sunrise Removes Call For Large-Scale Carbon Capture From GND Policy Punch List

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Of the hundreds of groups that issued the demands, one stood out: the Sunrise Movement, a new, youth-led activism corps that flung the Green New Deal into national prominence last year. More established organizations—including Friends of the Earth, 350.org, and the Center for Biological Diversity—also signed. The letter seemed like the standard collection of progressive climate goals, but on closer inspection it veered into new and controversial territory, especially in the places where the groups said what they would not support. They promised to “vigorously oppose” any legislation that promoted nuclear power, hydroelectric power, and carbon capture and storage, a still-experimental technology that could remove carbon dioxide directly from the atmosphere. They also forbade Congress to use any “market-based mechanism” to administer climate policy.

The absolute nature of these demands reportedly kept a number of established green nonprofits—including the Sierra Club, the Audubon Society, and the Environmental Defense Fund—from signing the letter. And the Sunrise Movement has backed off the letter somewhat. Stephen O’Hanlon, a spokesman for the group, told me that the letter to Congress is “not the full vision of the Green New Deal. It is a set of climate priorities for the new Congress.”

But the demands point to a broader shift for Sunrise—particularly around the issue of carbon capture and storage. In November, when Sunrise first demanded that Nancy Pelosi create a Green New Deal committee, it said that any potential plan must fund “massive investment in the drawdown and capture of greenhouse gases.” Sunrise seemed, in other words, to endorse carbon-capture research.

But the final version of that same document omits capture at all: It calls only for investment in the “drawdown of greenhouse gases.” This change has not been previously reported, and it appears to have been made quietly. Greg Carlock, who developed a different Green New Deal plan for the left-wing think tank Data for Progress, told me he was not aware of the change. “Oh my goodness,” he said. “There is no scenario produced by the IPCC or the UN where we hit mid-century decarbonization without some kind of carbon capture.”

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https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/first-fight-about-democrats-climate-green-new-deal/580543/

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Sunrise Removes Call For Large-Scale Carbon Capture From GND Policy Punch List (Original Post) hatrack Jan 2019 OP
Without some kind of geoengineering Loki Liesmith Jan 2019 #1
Interesting idea! David__77 Jan 2019 #2
Unfortunately, the "Green New Deal" is very weak from an engineering, scientific and economic... NNadir Jan 2019 #3

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
1. Without some kind of geoengineering
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:36 AM
Jan 2019

We aren’t going to be able to mitigate climate change. So much damage is built in at this point simply converting to a green economy just stops the bleeding.

David__77

(23,423 posts)
2. Interesting idea!
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 12:58 PM
Jan 2019

Human ingenuity is amazing. I do think that people will solve the problem of energy.

NNadir

(33,532 posts)
3. Unfortunately, the "Green New Deal" is very weak from an engineering, scientific and economic...
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 01:52 PM
Jan 2019

...perspective.

We are, on the left - I use this analogy quite often - rather in the position of a physician who can recognize a dangerous (but potentially curable) cancer, but recommend prayer and herbal teas for treatment.

Prayers and herbal teas won't cure cancer, and neither will so called "renewable energy" have even a sliver of hope at addressing climate change.

This unfortunate turn of events, where neither end - and quite possibly the center - has any clue, means that the toxic waste we have indiscriminately dumped into the planetary atmosphere, chiefly, but hardly limited to carbon dioxide, will fall to future generations to clean up.

Carbon capture from dilute but dangerous matrices is the only path by which future generations will be able to ameliorate some of the very dangerous filth we're leaving behind because we are all too stupid and myopic to understand basic science and basic engineering.

There is a lot of interesting stuff going on in carbon capture from dilute sources - scientific papers along these lines come out very often - and any technology that will work, which is limited wholly and totally to the big nuclear boogeyman we ignorantly hate on the left, will afford us significant waste heat, heat that will not be waste to the extent we use it.

One big problem is that our journalists are as stupid and as myopic as the people to whom the allegedly "report."

The "Green New Deal" is as ignorant as climate denial. If enacted, the result will be the same as we are seeing right now, which is that things will degrade faster and faster. All the money in the world will not make it work, since the solar and wind fantasy is already a failure after the useless and mindless expenditure of trillions of dollars.

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