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lordsummerisle

(4,651 posts)
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:10 PM Mar 2019

Poll: 68% of Americans Would Not Be Willing to Pay $10 a Month to Combat Climate Change

Source: jonathanturley.org

For those of us worried about climate change and the Administration’s environmental policies, there is a disheartening poll this month about the disconnect between environmental aspirations and the willingness to sacrifice to achieve the needed progress.

https://jonathanturley.org/2019/03/11/poll-sixty-eight-percent-of-americans-would-not-be-willing-to-pay-10-a-month-to-combat-climate-change/

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Poll: 68% of Americans Would Not Be Willing to Pay $10 a Month to Combat Climate Change (Original Post) lordsummerisle Mar 2019 OP
That's not a poll I'd take at face value without a clear understanding of how the question was asked hlthe2b Mar 2019 #1
Yes. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2019 #3
Here's what I could find. Igel Mar 2019 #11
"to combat climate change" Hmm, to make a dent in it maybe? Or to actually solve the problem? progree Mar 2019 #12
Main problem with the poll Finishline42 Mar 2019 #21
What percent of Americans feel like they have 10 bucks/month to spare? Also, what percent RockRaven Mar 2019 #2
I think these polls are made up trixie2 Mar 2019 #4
A DU poll on this would be interesting. Duppers Mar 2019 #6
I agree trixie2 Mar 2019 #7
Trixie, I think you'd get a better response. Duppers Mar 2019 #10
Jeebus! They don't really think it's real. Duppers Mar 2019 #5
I just watched Sherpa trixie2 Mar 2019 #20
How much do they donate every week to their church? DBoon Mar 2019 #8
EXACTLY!!! Duppers Mar 2019 #9
I believe it. silverweb Mar 2019 #13
Perhaps your friend isn't as well educated and well informed democratisphere Mar 2019 #16
No, that's not it. silverweb Mar 2019 #17
Cheapskate and self centered. democratisphere Mar 2019 #18
That's my assessment, too. silverweb Mar 2019 #19
This 40-something Duppers Mar 2019 #22
They have blinders on. silverweb Mar 2019 #24
Here's the actual poll OKIsItJustMe Mar 2019 #14
I would lancelyons Mar 2019 #15
They're going to anyway - think insurance rates, driven by reinsurance rates hatrack Mar 2019 #23

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
1. That's not a poll I'd take at face value without a clear understanding of how the question was asked
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:12 PM
Mar 2019

and the full methodology.

I really think this was a "push" poll.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
3. Yes.
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:23 PM
Mar 2019

The question in general doesn't suggest that the real issue is that the survival of the species is in jeopardy. Were that embedded in the polling question, a different result would likely bear out.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
11. Here's what I could find.
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:10 PM
Mar 2019
http://www.apnorc.org/projects/Documents/EPIC%20fact%20sheet_v4_DTP.pdf


Question: Suppose a proposal was on the ballot next year to add a monthly fee to consumers’ monthly electricity bill to combat climate change. If this proposal passes, it would cost your household ($1, $10, $20, $40, $75, $100) every month. Would you vote in favor of this monthly fee to combat climate change, or would you vote against this monthly fee?


Doesn't look to "pushy" to me. But I'm not going to read the full methodology.

Other information in a link list on the right side of http://www.apnorc.org/projects/Pages/Is-the-Public-Willing-to-Pay-to-Help-Fix-Climate-Change-.aspx .

I figure that this conflates a lot of types of respondents.

Those who don't believe in global warming or human causes (of most of it).
Those who don't believe anything can be done.
Those who don't trust that the money would actually go to the purpose intended.
Those who, like most others, discount present net value of future things and are present-oriented.
Those who are all for something provided it doesn't actually impinge on them and others pay, because that's always fair.

progree

(10,909 posts)
12. "to combat climate change" Hmm, to make a dent in it maybe? Or to actually solve the problem?
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:30 PM
Mar 2019

I'd be willing to contribute much more if it actually made a big difference, even more if it completely solved the problem. Versus just throwing some money at the problem.

Finishline42

(1,091 posts)
21. Main problem with the poll
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 09:24 AM
Mar 2019

It wasn't a question of $10 but some amount up to $100. $100 is more than I pay about 3 or 4 months of the year.

A better question would have the amount based on percentage of your monthly bill. Break it down into amounts as separate questions.

0%
5%
10%
20%
25%

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)
2. What percent of Americans feel like they have 10 bucks/month to spare? Also, what percent
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:19 PM
Mar 2019

would be willing for multimillionaires and billionaires to be taxed the equivalent of an extra 10 buck for every person in the US per month? I bet those numbers would add some much needed context to this poll.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
5. Jeebus! They don't really think it's real.
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:32 PM
Mar 2019

People have to be spoon-fed info because they will not research these subjects for themselves.

And because bad news which threatens everyone is not a happy subject and the press lives for viewership, it's not covered.

People simply do not want to hear it, do not want to think about it. They have been lulled into a complacency or believe gawd won't let it happen.

As one of my neighbors recently told me when I brought up global warming, "Well, there are things that we can control and things we can't."
Translating: "It's in God's hands."


As an example, if you cross-posted this in GD, how many would read it?

Reminds me of this article from years ago:

Barbara Ehrenreich: The Relentless Promotion of Positive Thinking Has Undermined America
http://www.alternet.org/story/143187/
Positive thinking is different, she says, from being cheerful or good-natured -- it's believing that the world is shaped by our wants and desires and that by focusing on the good, the bad ceases to exist.


Thoughts and prayers will save us.

trixie2

(905 posts)
20. I just watched Sherpa
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:05 AM
Mar 2019

The movie about the accident on Mount Everest and the loss of 16 Sherpas. They say that global warming is the cause of these huge accidents and it will only get worse.

DBoon

(22,369 posts)
8. How much do they donate every week to their church?
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:48 PM
Mar 2019

To an invisible sky god that will save them from climate change

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
13. I believe it.
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:34 PM
Mar 2019

One person I'm thinking of in particular, a 40-something who is not at all stupid or uninformed, is constantly going on about how climate change and its attendant catastrophes "aren't my generation's problem." They feel they shouldn't have to share in mitigation costs and "it's up to the younger generations because it's their problem."

The only way I can respond to this breathtaking selfishness is to call it exactly that, which has not helped our (fading) friendship. I mean, really... WTF? If a well-educated, well-informed person feels this way, how many others share the same attitude?



democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
16. Perhaps your friend isn't as well educated and well informed
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 02:27 AM
Mar 2019

as you think. My guess is that your friend is just plain stupid when it comes to global warming and climate change.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
17. No, that's not it.
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 02:56 AM
Mar 2019

Before the Green New Deal came up, we had a number of discussions about climate change, conservation, pollution, etc, and we always seemed to be on the same wavelength. Now that the discussion is about how much it will cost to mitigate climate change and deal with its effects, their tone has changed dramatically. I've offered analyses that show how the cost will only increase the longer we wait, but it's done no good. The response now is, "Not my problem, not coming out of my pocket."


democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
18. Cheapskate and self centered.
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 03:11 AM
Mar 2019

You are correct on the longer we wait. It actually may already be too late to reverse or stop the destruction of our planet.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
22. This 40-something
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 06:01 AM
Mar 2019

Is not that informed if he/she doesn't think g.w. will be a problem for them.

Arctic tundra is already affected by warming. It's thawing and releasing methane gas, the most dangerous of all carbon gases contributing to g.w., a phenomena which is increasing exponentially.

Unless this person expects to die in their early 60s, they will see their life greatly affected.
Isn't their "generation's problem"? Ha!
Your description nails this person:
"breathtaking selfish."

And it's not just the warming, there's this imminent problem ...


The Rapid Decline Of The Natural World Is A Crisis Even Bigger Than Climate Change

A three-year UN-backed study from the Intergovernmental Science-Policy Platform On Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services has grim implications for the future of humanity.


03/15/2019

Nature is in freefall and the planet’s support systems are so stretched that we face widespread species extinctions and mass human migration unless urgent action is taken. That’s the warning hundreds of scientists are preparing to give, and it’s stark.

The last year has seen a slew of brutal and terrifying warnings about the threat climate change poses to life. Far less talked about but just as dangerous, if not more so, is the rapid decline of the natural world. The felling of forests, the over-exploitation of seas and soils, and the pollution of air and water are together driving the living world to the brink, according to a huge three-year, U.N.-backed landmark study to be published in May.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c49e78ce4b06ba6d3bb2d44



On these subjects, too many, even here are...




silverweb

(16,402 posts)
24. They have blinders on.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 11:57 AM
Mar 2019

And the "not my generation's problem" is so completely out of touch that it's shameful.

One time I asked, "What about fossil fuels, plastics, toxic chemicals, and all the other pollutants that our generations put into the environment? That makes us part of the problem. You don't think we have some responsibility to help fix that?" The answer was "Well, we didn't know it would be bad, so no, it's not up to us and we shouldn't have to pay for it."

It's significant, I think, that this individual has no children, which probably would have made a difference in their perspective. In any case, I can't fathom the selfish attitude and they don't want to face facts, so we don't talk about this anymore - and our conversations have become fewer and fewer because it hangs over everything else.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
23. They're going to anyway - think insurance rates, driven by reinsurance rates
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:01 AM
Mar 2019

Probably a lot more than $10/month, but so it goes . . . .

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