Environment & Energy
Related: About this forumPoll: 68% of Americans Would Not Be Willing to Pay $10 a Month to Combat Climate Change
Source: jonathanturley.org
For those of us worried about climate change and the Administrations environmental policies, there is a disheartening poll this month about the disconnect between environmental aspirations and the willingness to sacrifice to achieve the needed progress.
https://jonathanturley.org/2019/03/11/poll-sixty-eight-percent-of-americans-would-not-be-willing-to-pay-10-a-month-to-combat-climate-change/
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)and the full methodology.
I really think this was a "push" poll.
The question in general doesn't suggest that the real issue is that the survival of the species is in jeopardy. Were that embedded in the polling question, a different result would likely bear out.
Igel
(35,320 posts)Question: Suppose a proposal was on the ballot next year to add a monthly fee to consumers monthly electricity bill to combat climate change. If this proposal passes, it would cost your household ($1, $10, $20, $40, $75, $100) every month. Would you vote in favor of this monthly fee to combat climate change, or would you vote against this monthly fee?
Doesn't look to "pushy" to me. But I'm not going to read the full methodology.
Other information in a link list on the right side of http://www.apnorc.org/projects/Pages/Is-the-Public-Willing-to-Pay-to-Help-Fix-Climate-Change-.aspx .
I figure that this conflates a lot of types of respondents.
Those who don't believe in global warming or human causes (of most of it).
Those who don't believe anything can be done.
Those who don't trust that the money would actually go to the purpose intended.
Those who, like most others, discount present net value of future things and are present-oriented.
Those who are all for something provided it doesn't actually impinge on them and others pay, because that's always fair.
progree
(10,909 posts)I'd be willing to contribute much more if it actually made a big difference, even more if it completely solved the problem. Versus just throwing some money at the problem.
Finishline42
(1,091 posts)It wasn't a question of $10 but some amount up to $100. $100 is more than I pay about 3 or 4 months of the year.
A better question would have the amount based on percentage of your monthly bill. Break it down into amounts as separate questions.
0%
5%
10%
20%
25%
RockRaven
(14,974 posts)would be willing for multimillionaires and billionaires to be taxed the equivalent of an extra 10 buck for every person in the US per month? I bet those numbers would add some much needed context to this poll.
trixie2
(905 posts)I never, ever see any polls.
I would think most people would pay.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Please post one!
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Go for it, girl!
😁
Duppers
(28,125 posts)People have to be spoon-fed info because they will not research these subjects for themselves.
And because bad news which threatens everyone is not a happy subject and the press lives for viewership, it's not covered.
People simply do not want to hear it, do not want to think about it. They have been lulled into a complacency or believe gawd won't let it happen.
As one of my neighbors recently told me when I brought up global warming, "Well, there are things that we can control and things we can't."
Translating: "It's in God's hands."
As an example, if you cross-posted this in GD, how many would read it?
Reminds me of this article from years ago:
http://www.alternet.org/story/143187/
Positive thinking is different, she says, from being cheerful or good-natured -- it's believing that the world is shaped by our wants and desires and that by focusing on the good, the bad ceases to exist.
Thoughts and prayers will save us.
trixie2
(905 posts)The movie about the accident on Mount Everest and the loss of 16 Sherpas. They say that global warming is the cause of these huge accidents and it will only get worse.
DBoon
(22,369 posts)To an invisible sky god that will save them from climate change
silverweb
(16,402 posts)One person I'm thinking of in particular, a 40-something who is not at all stupid or uninformed, is constantly going on about how climate change and its attendant catastrophes "aren't my generation's problem." They feel they shouldn't have to share in mitigation costs and "it's up to the younger generations because it's their problem."
The only way I can respond to this breathtaking selfishness is to call it exactly that, which has not helped our (fading) friendship. I mean, really... WTF? If a well-educated, well-informed person feels this way, how many others share the same attitude?
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)as you think. My guess is that your friend is just plain stupid when it comes to global warming and climate change.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)Before the Green New Deal came up, we had a number of discussions about climate change, conservation, pollution, etc, and we always seemed to be on the same wavelength. Now that the discussion is about how much it will cost to mitigate climate change and deal with its effects, their tone has changed dramatically. I've offered analyses that show how the cost will only increase the longer we wait, but it's done no good. The response now is, "Not my problem, not coming out of my pocket."
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)You are correct on the longer we wait. It actually may already be too late to reverse or stop the destruction of our planet.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)Is not that informed if he/she doesn't think g.w. will be a problem for them.
Arctic tundra is already affected by warming. It's thawing and releasing methane gas, the most dangerous of all carbon gases contributing to g.w., a phenomena which is increasing exponentially.
Unless this person expects to die in their early 60s, they will see their life greatly affected.
Isn't their "generation's problem"? Ha!
Your description nails this person:
"breathtaking selfish."
And it's not just the warming, there's this imminent problem ...
A three-year UN-backed study from the Intergovernmental Science-Policy Platform On Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services has grim implications for the future of humanity.
03/15/2019
Nature is in freefall and the planets support systems are so stretched that we face widespread species extinctions and mass human migration unless urgent action is taken. Thats the warning hundreds of scientists are preparing to give, and its stark.
The last year has seen a slew of brutal and terrifying warnings about the threat climate change poses to life. Far less talked about but just as dangerous, if not more so, is the rapid decline of the natural world. The felling of forests, the over-exploitation of seas and soils, and the pollution of air and water are together driving the living world to the brink, according to a huge three-year, U.N.-backed landmark study to be published in May.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c49e78ce4b06ba6d3bb2d44
On these subjects, too many, even here are...
silverweb
(16,402 posts)And the "not my generation's problem" is so completely out of touch that it's shameful.
One time I asked, "What about fossil fuels, plastics, toxic chemicals, and all the other pollutants that our generations put into the environment? That makes us part of the problem. You don't think we have some responsibility to help fix that?" The answer was "Well, we didn't know it would be bad, so no, it's not up to us and we shouldn't have to pay for it."
It's significant, I think, that this individual has no children, which probably would have made a difference in their perspective. In any case, I can't fathom the selfish attitude and they don't want to face facts, so we don't talk about this anymore - and our conversations have become fewer and fewer because it hangs over everything else.
OKIsItJustMe
(19,938 posts)lancelyons
(988 posts)hatrack
(59,587 posts)Probably a lot more than $10/month, but so it goes . . . .