Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,602 posts)
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 10:15 AM Jul 2019

PG&E Braces for Power Cuts; Tesla, Others See an Opening

TECH

PG&E Braces for Power Cuts; Tesla, Others See an Opening

Rivals are touting alternatives as California faces planned blackouts due to wildfire risk

By Katherine Blunt
July 15, 2019 8:19 am ET

PG&E Corp.’s plan to pre-emptively turn off power in parts of California to limit wildfire risks is creating business opportunities for alternative energy companies that say they can keep the lights on.

Home solar, battery and fuel cell providers including Tesla Inc. and Bloom Energy Corp. are targeting customers in Northern California and appealing to state regulators to boost incentives for the rollout of their technology. While some acknowledge that new energy projects aren’t a universal solution to controlled blackouts,...

BUSINESS

PG&E’s Radical Plan to Prevent Wildfires: Shut Down the Power Grid

When dangerously high winds arise this year, the utility says it will black out fire-prone areas that are home to 5.4 million people

By Russell Gold and Katherine Blunt
April 27, 2019 12:01 am ET

PG&E Corp. can’t prevent its power lines from sparking the kinds of wildfires that have killed scores of Californians. So instead, it plans to pull the plug on a giant swath of the state’s population.

No U.S. utility has ever blacked out so many people on purpose. PG&E says it could knock out power to as much as an eighth of the state’s population for as long as five days when dangerously high winds arise. Communities likely to get shut off worry PG&E will put people in danger, especially the sick and elderly,...
4 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
PG&E Braces for Power Cuts; Tesla, Others See an Opening (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2019 OP
Tesla power walls aren't going to do the job lapfog_1 Jul 2019 #1
That's where solar panels come in WhiteTara Jul 2019 #3
Power walls aren't the only tool available... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #4
K & R mountain grammy Jul 2019 #2

lapfog_1

(29,223 posts)
1. Tesla power walls aren't going to do the job
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 10:20 AM
Jul 2019

not for running your home for 5 days... and you are going to want the A/C on

what PGE is doing is blackmailing CA into a massive rate increase to pay for the infrastructure upkeep on both power lines and gas lines and to cover the costs associated with the disasters caused by their past negligence like San Bruno and Paradise.

WhiteTara

(29,722 posts)
3. That's where solar panels come in
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:45 AM
Jul 2019

to recharge the battery. I can hardly wait until they are affordable and we'll switch to solar in a heart beat.

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
4. Power walls aren't the only tool available...
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:54 AM
Jul 2019

...i.e. grid scale batteries.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/14/1862728/-Grid-scale-Battery-The-Tesla-System-in-Australia


Grid-scale Battery: The Tesla System in Australia

Remember when Elon Musk offered to build a grid-scale battery for Southern Australia in "100 days or it’s free"? He made good on his bet, installing it on time for the cost of $66 million in December of 2017.

According to a report on its first year of operation, the Hornsdale Power Reserve (HPR), owned and operated by Neon, the world’s largest lithium-ion battery energy storage system, with a discharge capacity of 100 MW and energy storage capacity of 129 MWh, located near Jamestown, South Australia, sharing the same 275 kV network connection point as the 300 MW Hornsdale wind farm, saved $40 million in its first year.

(snip)

Tesla also says it will recycle the batteries after their 15 year lifetime, planning to recover up to 60% of the materials.
South Australia has gone from less than 1% renewables in the early 2000s to 48.9% in 2016/17 and is expected to rise to 73% by 2020/21, perhaps the fastest renewable growth rate in the world.* Australia’s electricity sector alone is on track to deliver the country’s entire Paris emissions reduction targets by 2025 instead of 2030, five years early.

”Remarkably, the net cost is zero because expensive fossil fuels are being replaced by cheaper renewables.”


In summary:
Cost: $66 million
1-year savings: $40 million
Estimated 15-year lifespan
Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Environment & Energy»PG&E Braces for Power Cut...