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PG&E Braces for Power Cuts; Tesla, Others See an Opening
Rivals are touting alternatives as California faces planned blackouts due to wildfire risk
By Katherine Blunt
July 15, 2019 8:19 am ET
PG&E Corp.s plan to pre-emptively turn off power in parts of California to limit wildfire risks is creating business opportunities for alternative energy companies that say they can keep the lights on.
Home solar, battery and fuel cell providers including Tesla Inc. and Bloom Energy Corp. are targeting customers in Northern California and appealing to state regulators to boost incentives for the rollout of their technology. While some acknowledge that new energy projects arent a universal solution to controlled blackouts,...
PG&E Braces for Power Cuts; Tesla, Others See an Opening
Rivals are touting alternatives as California faces planned blackouts due to wildfire risk
By Katherine Blunt
July 15, 2019 8:19 am ET
PG&E Corp.s plan to pre-emptively turn off power in parts of California to limit wildfire risks is creating business opportunities for alternative energy companies that say they can keep the lights on.
Home solar, battery and fuel cell providers including Tesla Inc. and Bloom Energy Corp. are targeting customers in Northern California and appealing to state regulators to boost incentives for the rollout of their technology. While some acknowledge that new energy projects arent a universal solution to controlled blackouts,...
BUSINESS
PG&Es Radical Plan to Prevent Wildfires: Shut Down the Power Grid
When dangerously high winds arise this year, the utility says it will black out fire-prone areas that are home to 5.4 million people
By Russell Gold and Katherine Blunt
April 27, 2019 12:01 am ET
PG&E Corp. cant prevent its power lines from sparking the kinds of wildfires that have killed scores of Californians. So instead, it plans to pull the plug on a giant swath of the states population.
No U.S. utility has ever blacked out so many people on purpose. PG&E says it could knock out power to as much as an eighth of the states population for as long as five days when dangerously high winds arise. Communities likely to get shut off worry PG&E will put people in danger, especially the sick and elderly,...
PG&Es Radical Plan to Prevent Wildfires: Shut Down the Power Grid
When dangerously high winds arise this year, the utility says it will black out fire-prone areas that are home to 5.4 million people
By Russell Gold and Katherine Blunt
April 27, 2019 12:01 am ET
PG&E Corp. cant prevent its power lines from sparking the kinds of wildfires that have killed scores of Californians. So instead, it plans to pull the plug on a giant swath of the states population.
No U.S. utility has ever blacked out so many people on purpose. PG&E says it could knock out power to as much as an eighth of the states population for as long as five days when dangerously high winds arise. Communities likely to get shut off worry PG&E will put people in danger, especially the sick and elderly,...
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PG&E Braces for Power Cuts; Tesla, Others See an Opening (Original Post)
mahatmakanejeeves
Jul 2019
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lapfog_1
(29,223 posts)1. Tesla power walls aren't going to do the job
not for running your home for 5 days... and you are going to want the A/C on
what PGE is doing is blackmailing CA into a massive rate increase to pay for the infrastructure upkeep on both power lines and gas lines and to cover the costs associated with the disasters caused by their past negligence like San Bruno and Paradise.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)3. That's where solar panels come in
to recharge the battery. I can hardly wait until they are affordable and we'll switch to solar in a heart beat.
NeoGreen
(4,031 posts)4. Power walls aren't the only tool available...
...i.e. grid scale batteries.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/14/1862728/-Grid-scale-Battery-The-Tesla-System-in-Australia
Grid-scale Battery: The Tesla System in Australia
Remember when Elon Musk offered to build a grid-scale battery for Southern Australia in "100 days or its free"? He made good on his bet, installing it on time for the cost of $66 million in December of 2017.
According to a report on its first year of operation, the Hornsdale Power Reserve (HPR), owned and operated by Neon, the worlds largest lithium-ion battery energy storage system, with a discharge capacity of 100 MW and energy storage capacity of 129 MWh, located near Jamestown, South Australia, sharing the same 275 kV network connection point as the 300 MW Hornsdale wind farm, saved $40 million in its first year.
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Tesla also says it will recycle the batteries after their 15 year lifetime, planning to recover up to 60% of the materials.
South Australia has gone from less than 1% renewables in the early 2000s to 48.9% in 2016/17 and is expected to rise to 73% by 2020/21, perhaps the fastest renewable growth rate in the world.* Australias electricity sector alone is on track to deliver the countrys entire Paris emissions reduction targets by 2025 instead of 2030, five years early.
Remarkably, the net cost is zero because expensive fossil fuels are being replaced by cheaper renewables.
In summary:
Cost: $66 million
1-year savings: $40 million
Estimated 15-year lifespan
mountain grammy
(26,648 posts)2. K & R