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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 07:32 AM Jun 2012

Rio+20 Earth summit: scientists call for action on population

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jun/14/rio-earth-summit-population-consumption?intcmp=122


A worker, left, hauls a bag of charcoal produced from illegally harvested Amazon rainforest wood onto a truck in Rondon do Para, Brazil. Photograph: Mario Tama/Getty Images


The Rio+20 Earth summit must take decisive action on population and consumption regardless of political taboos or it will struggle to tackle the alarming decline of the global environment, the world's leading scientific academies warned on Thursday.

Rich countries need to reduce or radically transform unsustainable lifestyles, while greater efforts should be made to provide contraception to those who want it in the developing world, the coalition of 105 institutions, including the Royal Society, urged in a joint report.

It's a wake-up call for negotiators meeting in Rio for the UN conference on sustainable development.

The authors point out that while the Rio summit aims to reduce poverty and reverse the degradation of the environment, it barely mentions the two solutions that could ease pressure on increasingly scarce resources.
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Rio+20 Earth summit: scientists call for action on population (Original Post) xchrom Jun 2012 OP
Good luck with that. pscot Jun 2012 #1
The bigger the issues on the table at these global meetings GliderGuider Jun 2012 #2
your last sentence.. stuntcat Jun 2012 #3
I don't think we'll make it to 9 billion. GliderGuider Jun 2012 #4
Let's just ignore it and see what happens. Gregorian Jun 2012 #5
"and consumption". nt bananas Jun 2012 #6
"The developed world is mainly responsible for the world's record consumption levels" bananas Jun 2012 #7
Excellent point. (n/t) Nihil Jun 2012 #8
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
2. The bigger the issues on the table at these global meetings
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:15 AM
Jun 2012

the less that gets done.

Voluntary population reduction is a political third rail issue pretty much everywhere except China. The only way population reduction will happen globally is if it's taken out of our hands by economic and food supply failures.

stuntcat

(12,022 posts)
3. your last sentence..
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:22 AM
Jun 2012

"The only way population reduction will happen globally is if it's taken out of our hands by economic and food supply failures."

This is exactly what will bring down the population. I wonder if it will happen just slowly enough that humanity (especially the comfy tv-watchers) will not consider it a disaster. That is how every other horrifying thing seems to happen.
The boiling frog comes to mind Before long it'll be 9 billion frogs boiling at once.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
4. I don't think we'll make it to 9 billion.
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:22 AM
Jun 2012

I suspect the "bend in the road" is actually a lot closer than people think. The destabilization of virtually every system we depend on to keep the machine running - from climate and energy supplies to economic and political order - is already well underway. I figure Dmitry Orlov has an inside track on how it will unfold, and we'll see a Russian-style collapse in both population and consumption in reasonably short order.

I'm betting the number of humans will max out at around 8 billion in about 2030, then start to slide fairly alarmingly. The voluntary decisions about population reduction will be taken by individuals, not governments - by couples simply deciding that the future has become too uncertain to risk bringing children into it.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
5. Let's just ignore it and see what happens.
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:19 PM
Jun 2012

So many people just don't know what a quality world it could be.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
7. "The developed world is mainly responsible for the world's record consumption levels"
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 02:09 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18422619

13 June 2012 Last updated at 19:33 ET

Scientists urge Rio moves on population and consumption

By Richard Black
Environment correspondent, BBC News, Rio de Janeiro

<snip>


The developed world is mainly responsible for the world's record consumption levels, the scientists say

If the billion poorest people are to have adequate access to food, water and energy, the academies say, developed countries will have to reduce their own consumption of natural resources.

They say this can be done without reducing prosperity so long as different economic models are followed.

<snip>
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